After I present my deck to my opponent for cutting, he shuffles my deck. Am I allowed to then cut my deck once? I thought it used to be allowed but I didn't see it in the comp rules
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Originally Posted by AriLax
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No, you are not allowed to do that anymore. Now the opponent will always be the last person to touch a player's deck. You can read the rule in Magic Tournament Rules, 3.8.
Level 2 Judge
I know it's allowed by DCI rules and whatever. But whenever an opponent riffle shuffles my deck I have this urge to break their face. It's bending my cards, why can't these assholes just side shuffle and have some common courtesy?
If you ask them to side shuffle when you present because you don't want to damage your cards, and they do it anyway, you can call a judge for Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
No, you cannot.
You can call a judge and tell the judge what happened, but you cannot suggest an infraction.
You can call a judge and tell the judge that your opponent shuffled your deck, but the judge will tell you that that's kind of what your opponent is supposed to do.
If you don't want your cards shuffled, don't play with them. You can request your opponent shuffle in a certain (legal) way, but he can shuffle any (legal) way he wants.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
I think you misunderstood my post. If you ask your opponent not to bend your cards and suggest that they shuffle a specific way to avoid doing so, but they bend your cards anyway, you call a judge. You don't have to suggest an infraction, because the only possible intent of the action is to damage your cards and put you on tilt. I have seen this ruling handed out on several occasions at PTQs.
If there's some doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, I guess there's not much to be done, but generally, asking someone not to damage your cards and having it happen anyway removes any uncertainty from the situation.
No misunderstanding. Unless it's malicious, your opponent is absolutely allowed to bend (aka riffle shuffle) your deck. The intent of the action is to shuffle your deck.
At a vintage event the judges might be more sensitive towards concerns, those are almost always unsanctioned anyway.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
This is what I was getting at. There's not really any uncertainty about intent when you ask them not to bend your cards and they defiantly do it anyway.
some guy wasn't using sleeves and i rifle shuffled his deck and splt the corner of one of his unlimited U.seas lol, i loled when he got pissed and the judge said it was his fault for not using sleeves
Yea man! I love it when I damage people's property, and then laugh at them!
Oh wait, no, I'm not a huge dick.
In other news, yea, the dude should have been using sleeves. Still, there's no reason to be riffling, and less reason to be laughing afterwards.
Says the guy who plays with Japanese Foil cards so he can angle-shoot and take advantage of people not knowing the Oracle text on every card in Legacy. Hypocrite much?
This probably happened because the dude was pissed for losing to turn 1 Grapeshot.
Good thing most of the guys aren't assholes. If you tell them to not riffle your deck most of them will listen.
But I think it is for the judge to decide if it is an infraction or not and will probably vary depending on what jude you ask.
If you don't know what a card does and don't ask a judge, it is your own damn fault. Is there a reason you decided to attack him?
Three options:
A) You know legacy: Ok so you know the cards and how they interact a.k.a. foreign cards are not an issue.
B) You just started out, perhaps looked at some decklists, or are learning the format: You know some cards, and the ones you don't you call a judge for. Not a problem
C) You never played before, or even researched interactions in this format: Then how the hell are you in the X-0 bracket playing Cook after 3 rounds? And what are you doing in the format?
I do have a relevant question on shuffling:
Why are opponent's even allowed to shuffle your deck to begin with as opposed to just cutting? Is a cut not enough after your own shuffling?
Thank you. However, I fail to see how I am a Hypocrite. I'm not riffle shuffling people's expensive decks.
If it's foriegnness, my boy uptop got chew.
There are ways to pile shuffle where you guranteed that every third card is a land, so this lets you ensure that the opponent's deck is sufficiently randomized.
Well, pile "shuffling" doesn't count as shuffling, but in general yes - shuffling your opponent's deck is a guard against cheats.
“It's possible. But it involves... {checks archives} Nature's Revolt, Opalescence, two Unstable Shapeshifters (one of which started as a Doppelganger), a Tide, an animated land, a creature with Fading, a Silver Wyvern, some way to get a creature into play in response to stuff, some way to get a land into play in response to stuff (a different land from the animated land), and one heck of a Rube Goldberg timing diagram.”
-David DeLaney
Side question: Can you still request that a judge shuffle your deck for your opponent? Say, he starts shuffling a bit more violently than you are comfortable with and you stop him and call a judge to do it for him.
I have heard you can do this before but I'm not sure.
they haunt minds...
@nitewolf9: Last I knew you could. I haven't read over the Comp Rules since February though.
Skizzik No Kicker. Like a true retard.
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