Should Mystical Tutor be unbanned now?

[dontbiteitholmes]

This. I play Quinn and I'm happy with both aggro and control matchups. Not so much with control though.

Speaking of Land Tax, is it really that broken with Scroll Rack?

Not in Legacy. In old Extended maybe, but not in Legacy.

[Doomsday]

Yes it should be unbanned now (because it never should have been banned in the first place).

[nedleeds]

If you have a helpless opponent who has done nothing to impede your progress or blow up your permanents and you have GGGGG ready to spend you probably should win.

[jazzykat]

Yes. It wasn't a problem to begin with.

[kusumoto]

Yes it should be unbanned. Never should have been banned in the first place.

[Tacosnape]

No. Solid ban. And keep dreaming. They're not going to just re-unban it after banning it the first time fixed Legacy until Vengevine.

[emidln]

I don't know if Wizards will go for the plan of fixing a slightly broken interaction by letting two of the most consistent combo decks to ever get sleeved up back into the format. I would love to play NLS again, but it's probably better for the format if we don't see so many hybrid combo decks like Reanimator and the various ANT lists that used tutor to transform around hate. I never did get a chance to take the final form of NLS to a large event though...

[DragoFireheart]

No, unbanning Mystical Tutor would be disastrous right now. Yes, Reanimator and ANT would push out Vengevine decks, but people would quickly realize how much more powerful said decks are with tutor. They would swarm the meta and would likely dominate.

Why they did not before? They simply did not catch on as i suspect that combo decks are not as popular as the common tribal or aggro-control decks.

[ummon]

No. Ad Nauseam players who liked to play combo decks on autopilot can stop whining. Survival Madness isn't nearly as annoying as ANT or Reanimator were. I think Vacrix's excellent article, Ill-Gotten Pains, is correct here.

[The Big Ragu]

I'm glad it was banned and hope it remains banned.

[Rico Suave]

I fail to see how unbanning one of the most broken tutors to ever exist is a wise idea.

[Aggro_zombies]

I fail to see how unbanning one of the most broken tutors to ever exist is a wise idea.

Because then more people would play combo, and since combo beats Survival, Wizards wouldn't have to ban Vengevine.

It's perfect.

[SurFitOfTheVine]

Because then more people would play combo, and since combo beats Survival, Wizards wouldn't have to ban Vengevine.

It's perfect.

Combo beats Survival? MD Fow, Daze and Spell Pierce would like to have a word with you.

[Meekrab]

You know what other decks play MD Fow, Daze and Spell Pierce? Like half the format. Combo doesn't seem to have an issue with them either.

[SurFitOfTheVine]

You know what other decks play MD Fow, Daze and Spell Pierce? Like half the format. Combo doesn't seem to have an issue with them either.

Are you saying combo is unbeatable? Gee, I've beaten expirienced players with goblins back when MT was unbanned. I'm not saying that Combo can't beat Fow, Daze and Spell Pierce, but it's not as straight forward as you're saying.

[Vacrix]

But people already are playing more combo. Its only a matter of time before the results surface. Just recently I saw a post in the SI forum.. in an 138 person tournament 2 SI players were seating right next to each other. What are the chances of that happening? More people are playing TES and Solidarity, Spring Tide is winning tournaments.. Further, Mystical Tutor would just make combo too easy and you wouldn't have all these cool old school combo decks becoming viable again.

[AriLax]

I would honestly be for unbanning Vampiric Tutor before Mystical.

What would the best Vamp Tutor decks be if it was legal? Probably ANT, Reanimator, and some two card combo like Show and Tell. Some Rock or Attrition deck might be like the fifth or sixth best option, the gist is that the main thing people would be doing is comboing.

In context of that, lets consider this: are any of the combo decks Vamp helps getting things they couldn't Mystical for? ANT can get LED, but is better than Dark Rit + 2 life? Reanimator can get a guy to Show and Tell or a land, but they would again much rather have 2 life. You can't even pitch a Vampiric Tutor to Force.

Even if they are getting non-Mystical fetchable cards, is there actually a deck using Vamp that is more resilient, powerful, and faster than Reanimator or Tendrils?

Seriously, Mystical is actually more degenerate than Vampiric Tutor right now.

[GtF]

Even if they are getting non-Mystical fetchable cards, is there actually a deck using Vamp that is more resilient, powerful, and faster than Reanimator or Tendrils?

BG Survival. Maybe not all 3 of those things but probably at least 2/3.
Also being able to get a creature for use with show and tell seems quite relevant and totally worth the 2 life if it wins the game.

[SurFitOfTheVine]

I would honestly be for unbanning Vampiric Tutor before Mystical.

What would the best Vamp Tutor decks be if it was legal? Probably ANT, Reanimator, and some two card combo like Show and Tell. Some Rock or Attrition deck might be like the fifth or sixth best option, the gist is that the main thing people would be doing is comboing.

In context of that, lets consider this: are any of the combo decks Vamp helps getting things they couldn't Mystical for? ANT can get LED, but is better than Dark Rit + 2 life? Reanimator can get a guy to Show and Tell or a land, but they would again much rather have 2 life. You can't even pitch a Vampiric Tutor to Force.

Even if they are getting non-Mystical fetchable cards, is there actually a deck using Vamp that is more resilient, powerful, and faster than Reanimator or Tendrils?

Seriously, Mystical is actually more degenerate than Vampiric Tutor right now.

Another tutor for Survival? Great! I'd like that.

[Vacrix]

And find what? Survival is already tight for deck space. No build would play it.