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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    First of all, thanks for the feedback. Also thanks for your explanation about Brutality, you describe exactly how I felt about it when I played it. Imo its just a reasonable SB card but not for the maindeck.

    Regarding SFM I know how to play around command with it, but in those scenarios it is just a "2 mana draw a card you`ll almost never play" which makes it similiar to Elvish Visionary and thats not near to playable in our deck. If I wanted equips I would just play 2 copies of Jitte maindeck since the Swords aren`t necassary aside from Miracels and the BSkull isn`t neede when you run Goyfs. Especially when you run more then four virtual copies of it.

    Hymn to Tourach is a really huge magic card and in some MUs I miss it but since we cut Lilly Veil we can`t T1 TS -> T2 Hymn -> T3 Lilly Veil into empty hand anymore. Well we could play Lilly Veil for sure but shes just not worth it imo. Also I found Grixis and Miracels being really resilient to Hymn due to Snapcaster and KCommand/Accumulated Knowledge along with all their cantrips. But if you want to play Hymn its still fine I guess, just not as good as it was.

    Now to the cards I run. I guess you made a mistake there because I DO run 2 copies of Last Hope and she is a real beast.

    Another mistake probably because I didn`t explain enough is about GSZ. I dont run Zenith to get the package. I run Zenith because its acceleration and a 1drop thats still good in the mid- and lategame. The package can easily be trimmed down or completely cut for e.g. Hymn and maybe I will try this again at some point.
    You could easily cut Excavator and put Teeg in the board. Scooze is really really good against Grixis which is why I play a second one in the SB but it is not necassary, just find it better than Hymn. Knight of Autumn is good because of its flexibility but could also be cut if you wanted to. I just love having a creature that trades well with Strix while being lifegain and chumpblocker in aggro MUs. The four life have been relevant a fair amount of times.
    The fact that Zenith is Goyf 5-8 isn`t a reason to run it. But the fact that it is a potential 1drop that turns into a Goyf late in the game is really good.

    Maybe Im more on the aggro route with this list and not on the disruptive line that Rock used to be in the past but as far as it works Im fine with that. And again, you can play hymns with some easy changes but I found it to be not that good agaisnt two of the most palyed decks atm so it isnt worth it imo.

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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    Hey everyone, back again with another one of my drafts. My last draft had Green Sun's Zenith in it, to try to minimize the lack of bad topdecks. However, the deck is primarily black based, so tutoring for Dryad Arbor just isn't good color wise. My next draft is starring Mox Diamond. It feels like it synergizes better with Tireless Tracker on top of being able to Hymn on turn 1. Here's the list.

    Lands (25)
    3 Bayou
    2 Cabal Pit
    2 Forest
    2 Horizon Canopy
    2 Marsh Flats
    4 Swamp
    2 Treetop Village
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Wasteland

    Creatures (10)
    3 Dark Confidant
    4 Tarmogoyf
    3 Tireless Tracker

    Sorcerys (8)
    3 Thoughtseize
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    1 Life from the Loam
    1 Maelstrom Pulse

    Instants (7)
    3 Fatal Push
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Assassin's Trophy

    Planeswalkers (3)
    3 Liliana of the Veil

    Artifacts (5)
    4 Mox Diamond
    1 Umezawa's Jitte

    Enchantments (2)
    2 Sylvan Library

    Sideboard (15)
    1 Bitterblossom
    1 Chains of Mephistopheles
    2 Choke
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Hymn to Tourach
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    2 Pithing Needle
    4 Surgical Extraction
    1 Toxic Deluge

    I feel like the list could use another Life From the Loam. I'm thinking of either cutting a 4th Mox Diamond, a 3rd Fatal Push, a Jitte, or a Pulse. What do people think?

    I tried to minimize the amount of dead draws so I jammed an extra Cabal Pit and Horizon Canopy (which makes me definitely want a 2nd Loam). The sideboard is also a mess so I would love input in that as well. It probably needs some Damping Sphere for Storm?

    Thanks!

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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    I think with Diamond/extra lands you can start adding some cards at the upper end of the curve (not too many, still have Confidant in the list.) I'm thinking PW's like Garruk Relentless and Nissa, Vital Force. I wouldn't play more than 2 cards at 4-5 mana, but against the grindy control decks playing something big like that is really, really good. I think Lili-Last-Hope is a maindeckable card as well. Diabolic Edict seems like an omission, I'd probably jam 1-2 copies in your board. Without white you're less equipped to deal with Depths/Lands, StP is one of the best cards against them. Lili-Veil is good but Depths players can play around it pretty easily.

    I'm loving the Jitte maindeck, I was going to suggest it. I think Ramanup Excavator, even without GSZ, would be very good here, especially considering you are light on threats. It's an option to get your 'Loam' effect count higher without going all-in on Loam and pressures opponents' life total while you grind them out. You could also play 1-2 GSZ as a value card rather than an engine card (Trackers 4+, a couple singleton silver bullets like Excavator, Scooze, maybe an Eternal Witness.) Speaking of Scooze...very surprised it isn't in here in some number, at least in the sideboard.

    Crop Rotation seems like a pretty cool card to synergize with the utility lands. It isn't as powerful when it isn't getting Dark Depths, but it can still be very good. Tutoring for Horizon Canopy/Wasteland/Cabal Pit with Loam seems like a very good play. You could sideboard the Depths/Stage combo or just leave it out. I was playing Crop Rotation in Nic-Fit without Depths to find Phyrexian Tower/Ghost Quarter/Bojuka Bog/Karakas and it was great. It starts to get you closer to Aggro Loam minus the Knights, but that's ok. Your mana will be much more stable so it could be a fair tradeoff. Tracker is awesome at providing value, similar to knight if a little less powerful overall.

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    Agree with Ramunap. Being a 2/3 is so huge against lands to dodge PFire and your own recurring wastelands while you get to cast other spells is super good against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I think with Diamond/extra lands you can start adding some cards at the upper end of the curve (not too many, still have Confidant in the list.) I'm thinking PW's like Garruk Relentless and Nissa, Vital Force. I wouldn't play more than 2 cards at 4-5 mana, but against the grindy control decks playing something big like that is really, really good. I think Lili-Last-Hope is a maindeckable card as well. Diabolic Edict seems like an omission, I'd probably jam 1-2 copies in your board. Without white you're less equipped to deal with Depths/Lands, StP is one of the best cards against them. Lili-Veil is good but Depths players can play around it pretty easily.

    I'm loving the Jitte maindeck, I was going to suggest it. I think Ramanup Excavator, even without GSZ, would be very good here, especially considering you are light on threats. It's an option to get your 'Loam' effect count higher without going all-in on Loam and pressures opponents' life total while you grind them out. You could also play 1-2 GSZ as a value card rather than an engine card (Trackers 4+, a couple singleton silver bullets like Excavator, Scooze, maybe an Eternal Witness.) Speaking of Scooze...very surprised it isn't in here in some number, at least in the sideboard.

    Crop Rotation seems like a pretty cool card to synergize with the utility lands. It isn't as powerful when it isn't getting Dark Depths, but it can still be very good. Tutoring for Horizon Canopy/Wasteland/Cabal Pit with Loam seems like a very good play. You could sideboard the Depths/Stage combo or just leave it out. I was playing Crop Rotation in Nic-Fit without Depths to find Phyrexian Tower/Ghost Quarter/Bojuka Bog/Karakas and it was great. It starts to get you closer to Aggro Loam minus the Knights, but that's ok. Your mana will be much more stable so it could be a fair tradeoff. Tracker is awesome at providing value, similar to knight if a little less powerful overall.

    Keep fighting the good fight!
    Thanks for your input as always! I am not really comfortable adding expensive bombs in the main since lands will be discarded and we have Liliana of the Veil to pressure. I definitely like a planeswalker in the board though.

    I really like your suggestion of Ramunap Excavator (thanks Megadeus for providing your feedback as well!) He seems better than the 2nd Loam and like you pointed out, can attack. I also like Green Sun's Zenith now that I think about it.

    Im not sure if Crop Rotation can fit with Mox Diamond. We are already negative in card advantage in that department and we arent tutoring up anything thats game winning. Its more for value, which Crop Rotation isnt good at.

    So for changes, it would be

    -1 Forest
    -1 Maelstrom Pulse
    -1 Tireless Tracker
    -1 Sylvan Library
    -1 Umezawa's Jitte
    +1 Dryad Arbor
    +1 Ramunap Excavator
    +2 Green Suns Zenith
    +1 Scavenging Ooze


    Lands (25)
    3 Bayou
    2 Cabal Pit
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Forest
    2 Horizon Canopy
    2 Marsh Flats
    4 Swamp
    2 Treetop Village
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Wasteland

    Creatures (11)
    3 Dark Confidant
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    4 Tarmogoyf
    1 Ramunap Excavator
    2 Tireless Tracker

    Sorcerys (9)
    2 Green Sun's Zenith
    3 Thoughtseize
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    1 Life from the Loam

    Instants (7)
    3 Fatal Push
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Assassin's Trophy

    Planeswalkers (3)
    3 Liliana of the Veil

    Artifacts (4)
    4 Mox Diamond

    Enchantments (1)
    1 Sylvan Library

    Sideboard (15)
    1 Choke
    1 Diabolic Edict
    1 Garruk Relentless
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Grafdigger's Cage
    1 Hymn to Tourach
    1 Liliana, the Last Hope
    2 Pithing Needle
    4 Surgical Extraction
    1 Toxic Deluge
    1 Umezawa's Jitte


    I also moved the sideboard around a bit. Had to move Jitte to the side since I have no idea what I can cut for it (maybe a Fatal Push or Abrupt Decay?) I also hate cutting the 2nd library but I really am having trouble fitting everything in.

    Any other thoughts? Also, is the ratio of 25 lands + 4 mox diamond correct? Thanks!

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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    Crop Rotation is definitely game-winning against certain decks. Crop Rotation into Bojuka Bog is incredible against Dredge and Reanimator, CR into Karakas is amazing against Reanimator and Sneak/Show. It doesn't necessarily fit your deck plan (it takes up at least 4 slots = 2 CR + 2 Utility Lands) but I have had great success with Crop Rotation. One-mana instant speed tutors, even for just a land, are very good.

    Good luck with testing, I'm always paying attention to see if there's a configuration for Rock to be playable again.
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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    So I played a couple matches online coupled with a league (I really wish they had friendly leagues on MTGO, just to test out the kinks).

    In terms of single matches
    Beat Merfolk
    Beat Turbo Depths
    Beat Delver
    Lost to Storm
    Beat Storm
    Lost to Elves
    Beat Reanimator

    Felt good going into my league, but didnt go so well.
    1-2 D&T. Game was super close but Cataclysm is backbreaking both postboard games.
    2-0 Burn. GSZ for scooze is good
    0-2 Affinity. Didnt play optimally game 1 and completely punted game 2 (miscalculated ravager math)
    1-2 Turbo Depths. Punted game 1 completely. Felt really bad.
    0-2 Storm.

    Makes me want to try Chalice of the Void over the 3 Thoughtseize. I can cut a Push and add an extra Decay/Trophy. What do people think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoDiamonds View Post
    So I played a couple matches online coupled with a league (I really wish they had friendly leagues on MTGO, just to test out the kinks).

    In terms of single matches
    Beat Merfolk
    Beat Turbo Depths
    Beat Delver
    Lost to Storm
    Beat Storm
    Lost to Elves
    Beat Reanimator

    Felt good going into my league, but didnt go so well.
    1-2 D&T. Game was super close but Cataclysm is backbreaking both postboard games.
    2-0 Burn. GSZ for scooze is good
    0-2 Affinity. Didnt play optimally game 1 and completely punted game 2 (miscalculated ravager math)
    1-2 Turbo Depths. Punted game 1 completely. Felt really bad.
    0-2 Storm.

    Makes me want to try Chalice of the Void over the 3 Thoughtseize. I can cut a Push and add an extra Decay/Trophy. What do people think?
    Chalice fights with Hymn to Tourach a little; you may Chalice them off 1 drops but then Hymn is really not that useful. They will end up discarding some number of useless cards left in hand, so Hymn isn't really doing much. I would probably switch over to Collective Brutality over Hymn with Chalice main. It's likely the best 2 mana targeted discard spell. White has been historically very good against Storm because of Canonist, and more recently Kambal.
    My approach against Storm has always been to play a minimum of 5 discard main alongside the Hymns. Sideboard brought in Canonist.

    How is your curve playing out? Are you doing meaningful things every turn or are you waiting for the right opportunities to play your cards out/waiting for mana? Mox naturally pushes you to 3 drops sooner but I've always been of the mindset to make sure I can still curve out, regardless of acceleration. Being able to curve out without Mox Diamond is important. When DRS was in the format I always wanted either DRS or discard t1, Hymn or Library t2, and t3+ I wanted to have removal or threats. Those were my ideal games, the ones I noticed I was winning. I think Wasteland is putting a little bit of a kink in all of this as well. If you have an efficient 1-2 mana curve you can pop off Wastelands at any time turns 2-on, but when you are gearing so hard for the mid-game there may be missed opportunities to utilize Wasteland. A 2nd targeted discard alongside Wasteland t2 can be devastating. Again, this is in light of not having Mox available t1, which can obviously let you Wasteland and Thoughtseize t1 (on the draw.)

    I think there are better Chalice decks, I would sideboard it at the most. It fights pretty hard with Hymn to Tourach, attacking completely different axes (one doesn't care how many cards are in hand because a lot of them are dead, the other wants to strip the hand as a 2-for-1) I would also re-evaluate the curve to make sure there are consistent combinations of plays turns 1-3 that deal with what's beating you. The further you go down the GSZ path, the more grindy of a deck you have that cuts early disruption for a more powerful mid-game. The more discard/efficient curve you have the more tempo oriented you become with a traditional Rock plan. Both have upsides and downsides.

    I think another option, and call me crazy if this is just nuts, is Trinisphere Once you have three mana you should be all set, you can curve discard into Library/Scooze/Goyf/Hymn or land a devastating turn three 3Ball. It's almost one-sided, really. You don't mind 3-mana Hymns and your most powerful mid-game plays are 3 or more mana anyways (Tracker, GSZ, Liliana.) Adding one mana to your cards isn't a big deal, Hym and Trophy for 3 mana are fine. Cutting opponent's off cantrips and spanking Storm seems like a fair tradeoff to me. Hymn works with Trinisphere better, too. It can take lands to prevent their answers to Trinisphere. EDIT: This is going way too deep, but Sinkhole then becomes pretty spicy. Mox Diamond into Sinkhole/Wasteland/3Ball. Evil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I think another option, and call me crazy if this is just nuts, is Trinisphere Once you have three mana you should be all set, you can curve discard into Library/Scooze/Goyf/Hymn or land a devastating turn three 3Ball. It's almost one-sided, really. You don't mind 3-mana Hymns and your most powerful mid-game plays are 3 or more mana anyways (Tracker, GSZ, Liliana.) Adding one mana to your cards isn't a big deal, Hym and Trophy for 3 mana are fine. Cutting opponent's off cantrips and spanking Storm seems like a fair tradeoff to me. Hymn works with Trinisphere better, too. It can take lands to prevent their answers to Trinisphere. EDIT: This is going way too deep, but Sinkhole then becomes pretty spicy. Mox Diamond into Sinkhole/Wasteland/3Ball. Evil...
    You're crazy. Oh wait, Lejay went 5-0 with this:

    Creatures [9]
    1 Ramunap Excavator
    2 Dryad Arbor
    2 Knight of Autumn
    4 Knight of the Reliquary


    Instants [3]
    3 Abrupt Decay


    Sorceries [4]
    4 Green Sun's Zenith


    Enchantments [9]
    1 Armadillo Cloak
    2 Courser of Kruphix
    2 Engineered Plague
    4 Sylvan Library


    Artifacts [11]
    3 Trinisphere
    4 Chalice of the Void
    4 Mox Diamond


    Lands [24]
    1 Bayou
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Cabal Pit
    1 Karakas
    1 Snow-Covered Plains
    1 Snow-Covered Swamp
    1 Tower of the Magistrate
    2 Ghost Quarter
    2 Maze of Ith
    2 Savannah
    2 Snow-Covered Forest
    2 Wasteland
    3 Windswept Heath
    4 Verdant Catacombs

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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    The chalice + trinisphere shell is just very good right now. Plug has probably been pretty criminally underplayed for some time, it's the only chalice/trinisphere deck that gets to play mox diamond, sylvan library, gsz and ancient tomb.
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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Chalice fights with Hymn to Tourach a little; you may Chalice them off 1 drops but then Hymn is really not that useful. They will end up discarding some number of useless cards left in hand, so Hymn isn't really doing much. I would probably switch over to Collective Brutality over Hymn with Chalice main. It's likely the best 2 mana targeted discard spell. White has been historically very good against Storm because of Canonist, and more recently Kambal.
    My approach against Storm has always been to play a minimum of 5 discard main alongside the Hymns. Sideboard brought in Canonist.

    How is your curve playing out? Are you doing meaningful things every turn or are you waiting for the right opportunities to play your cards out/waiting for mana? Mox naturally pushes you to 3 drops sooner but I've always been of the mindset to make sure I can still curve out, regardless of acceleration. Being able to curve out without Mox Diamond is important. When DRS was in the format I always wanted either DRS or discard t1, Hymn or Library t2, and t3+ I wanted to have removal or threats. Those were my ideal games, the ones I noticed I was winning. I think Wasteland is putting a little bit of a kink in all of this as well. If you have an efficient 1-2 mana curve you can pop off Wastelands at any time turns 2-on, but when you are gearing so hard for the mid-game there may be missed opportunities to utilize Wasteland. A 2nd targeted discard alongside Wasteland t2 can be devastating. Again, this is in light of not having Mox available t1, which can obviously let you Wasteland and Thoughtseize t1 (on the draw.)

    I think there are better Chalice decks, I would sideboard it at the most. It fights pretty hard with Hymn to Tourach, attacking completely different axes (one doesn't care how many cards are in hand because a lot of them are dead, the other wants to strip the hand as a 2-for-1) I would also re-evaluate the curve to make sure there are consistent combinations of plays turns 1-3 that deal with what's beating you. The further you go down the GSZ path, the more grindy of a deck you have that cuts early disruption for a more powerful mid-game. The more discard/efficient curve you have the more tempo oriented you become with a traditional Rock plan. Both have upsides and downsides.

    I think another option, and call me crazy if this is just nuts, is Trinisphere Once you have three mana you should be all set, you can curve discard into Library/Scooze/Goyf/Hymn or land a devastating turn three 3Ball. It's almost one-sided, really. You don't mind 3-mana Hymns and your most powerful mid-game plays are 3 or more mana anyways (Tracker, GSZ, Liliana.) Adding one mana to your cards isn't a big deal, Hym and Trophy for 3 mana are fine. Cutting opponent's off cantrips and spanking Storm seems like a fair tradeoff to me. Hymn works with Trinisphere better, too. It can take lands to prevent their answers to Trinisphere. EDIT: This is going way too deep, but Sinkhole then becomes pretty spicy. Mox Diamond into Sinkhole/Wasteland/3Ball. Evil...
    Your input is always the best. I was scared of the subtle nombo with Hymn as well so tried some matches having Brutality instead. I feel like this version took 2 steps back as when you dont have a Mox Diamond in an opening hand, the deck felt super clunky. The deck loses its early game action. Also, Chalice nombos with Liliana the same way as Hymn. Losing Thoughtseize, Hymn, AND Liliana would defeat the purpose of the deck.

    Meanwhile, I tried the Depths list that 5-0d with Lilianas and Loams. I just dont like the Depths style. However, I did take some things from the deck.

    I am going back to the Mox Diamond + GSZ list with no Chalices and want input on the following changes.

    A) I think the deck needs 2 Loams. Being able to consistently recur Wastelands is huge for the deck.
    B) I think I need to add an Urborg to the list. I feel like this will smooth out the mana a bit and will let me hold off on cracking fetches until a Tracker is in play.
    C) What are peoples thoughts on Barren Moor and Tranquil Thicket over Horizon Canopy? I like how the cyclers didnt "waste" land drops unlike Horizon Canopy. I could Wasteland AND cycle in the same turn.

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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    Quote Originally Posted by KoDiamonds View Post
    Your input is always the best. I was scared of the subtle nombo with Hymn as well so tried some matches having Brutality instead. I feel like this version took 2 steps back as when you dont have a Mox Diamond in an opening hand, the deck felt super clunky. The deck loses its early game action. Also, Chalice nombos with Liliana the same way as Hymn. Losing Thoughtseize, Hymn, AND Liliana would defeat the purpose of the deck.

    Meanwhile, I tried the Depths list that 5-0d with Lilianas and Loams. I just dont like the Depths style. However, I did take some things from the deck.

    I am going back to the Mox Diamond + GSZ list with no Chalices and want input on the following changes.

    A) I think the deck needs 2 Loams. Being able to consistently recur Wastelands is huge for the deck.
    B) I think I need to add an Urborg to the list. I feel like this will smooth out the mana a bit and will let me hold off on cracking fetches until a Tracker is in play.
    C) What are peoples thoughts on Barren Moor and Tranquil Thicket over Horizon Canopy? I like how the cyclers didnt "waste" land drops unlike Horizon Canopy. I could Wasteland AND cycle in the same turn.
    The cycling lands look like they'd be a lot better in your list, especially since you aren't playing any knights or splashing for any hatebears.

    Your posting on GB rock reminded me that we have talked about that exact archetype a while back (during the top miracles era). Not sure but there might be some decent discussion about the archetype near there. I ended up trying the list below and took it to a couple of locals and a pretty casual tournament. The matchups where I had the most problems were D&T (crusader) and Combo decks (it just never felt like I had enough interaction).

    Quote Originally Posted by CptHaddock View Post
    I'm very open to that idea, what would you cut for the 3rd loam? I'm thinking the 2nd eternal witness or the singleton crop rotation. There is a tournament for a dual nearby this weekend, I think i'm going to make some minor modifications based on your suggestions and my experience and see how that goes. Changes are: -1 Crop Rotation, -1 Eternal Witness, +1 Life from the Loam, +1 Bayou main. -1 Choke, -1 Leyline of the Void, -1 Ghost Quarter, +3 Hymn to Tourach side.

    1 Cabal Pit
    1 Karakas
    4 Wasteland
    1 Volrath's Stronghold
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Marsh Flats
    1 Misty Rainforest
    3 Bayou
    1 Treetop Village
    2 Forest
    2 Swamp
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Barren Moor
    1 Tranquil Thicket

    4 Mox Diamond

    1 Sylvan Library

    3 Liliana of the Veil

    4 Tarmogoyf
    4 Dark Confidant
    1 Deathrite Shaman
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Eternal Witness
    2 Tireless Tracker

    4 Abrupt Decay
    3 Fatal Push
    3 Life from the Loam
    2 Green Sun's Zenith
    3 Thoughtseize

    Sideboard:
    1 Choke
    1 Garruk Relentless
    1 Maelstrom Pulse
    2 Toxic Deluge
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Crop Rotation
    2 Diabolic Edict
    1 Reclamation Sage
    3 Hymn to Tourach
    2 Leyline of the Void
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    I want to play as close to possible a 100% reactive deck that also approached 0% variance in how it played. I want to play magic with as little variance as possible. Also had a foiled out miracles deck that was an investment of about 6 grand that is now nearly worthless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee View Post
    My original post did that.

    I'd love to have a battle of wits with you but I see you lack the necessary equipment.

    Good day.

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    Re: [Deck] The Rock

    That's a really cool looking list, I love the EWitness. I think 4x Abrupt Decay is outdated (as CaptHaddock says) and should free up some slots for additional discard, probably Hymns maindeck. I would go -2 AD, -1 DRS (obviously) + 3 Hymn to Tourach maindeck. That frees up 3 sideboard slots for Trinisphere, if you decide to try that out. I also feel this is a good time to try 1x Excavator, cutting one of the Loams. It's worse with the cycle lands but doubles as a threat. I know that Trinisphere makes your Loams coast 3, but I think it would feel pretty good to keep your opponent off 3 mana. I might have to pick up some 3Balls myself to try it alongside Sinkhole.
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