[Deck] The Rock

[damionblackgear]

Bring it in against:

Miracles - Jace/Entreat
43 Lands - Life from the Loam
OmniTell - Cunning Wish/Enter the Infinite
Food Chain - Misthollow or Food Chain

Don't name Misthollow Griffin vs Food Chain unless you can ensure that they'll NEVER get 4 mana. Otherwise, you're in for an interesting match.

If 'Storm' and/or, to a lesser extent, Elves are causing issues, Orim's Chant - or another Silence effects if chant unavailable - might be a card to re-visit. Most people forgot/ignore/unaware that silence effects are available. You might be able convince them to spread their deck thin with defenses, post their encounter. With something on the board for them to play-around as well (Teeg, Thalia, Thorn, etc), you might buy enough time for your control to take over 'til game's end.

Additionally:

- Only hits for 1 when revealed by Bob
- 'Works' against Miracles - miracle trigger on the stack.
- Doesn't weaken manabase with additional color(s).
- Force a spell(s) through standard counters.
- Can be used to buy time from combat for Removal/Sweeper. (Chant Only)

Just a thought. Good luck.

[sdematt]

Display of Dominance 1G

Choose 1:

-Destroy target noncreature that is blue or black.
-Target permanent you control cannot be targeted by blue or black spells this turn.

So, it's a nice 2-mana instant speed answer to Jace, opposing decays, Omniscience, Chain of Vapour, Liliana, etc. etc.

Welcome back, boys and girls.

-Matt

[maharis]

So, it's a nice 2-mana instant speed answer to Jace, opposing decays, Omniscience, Chain of Vapour, Liliana, etc. etc.

Welcome back, boys and girls.

-Matt

And I almost posted earlier today "Hey, what do you guys think of Imp's Mischief out of the board against other BGx decks?"

[sdematt]

Well that suggestion is now strictly worse :P

-Matt

[sdematt]

I think Display of Dominance may deserve 1-3 slots in our deck. What are your thoughts?

Sure, it's not a real creature removal spell, but it does hit:

Counterbalance
Jace
Omniscience
Liliana of the Veil
Pernicious Deed
Murderous Cut/Disfigure
Abrupt Decay
Chain of Vapour
Submerge

and a few other choices, but realistically, Jace can be a big problem. I know it'll be squeezing a few into Nic Fit, but I sure wouldn't mind seeing playable instant speed Jace removal. Considering you get to kill him in response to their Brainstorm, which is where they're usually digging for countermagic or an answer, I think it's prudent. It's faster than Beast Within or Hero's Downfall without the negative side effects/narrowness.

I think if I were to continue running this:

3 Bayou
2 Scrubland
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Tarmogoyf
2 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Thoughtseize
3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Sylvan Library
2 Lingering Souls
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
3 Siege Rhino

I might cut a Rhino and/or a Scooze and try it out. Maybe it's better in the board, but I feel like it's more like a Maelstrom Pulse slot. I think the upside of instant speed outweighs the permanents you either can't hit with Grip from the board, or the colours you miss.

I feel like one of the few permanents not covered by Decay/Grip/DoD are things like Elspeth KE, which no one plays, and other off colour walkers, which hardly see play.

[Plague Sliver]

Realistically, the only 2 things on that list I'm afraid of are Liliana and Jace.

Why not just run Beast Within, my favorite card of 2011? Easier to cast, almost no drawback. The other stuff, you usually never see or wouldn't care to answer because you're out-attritioning them with this deck.

[sdematt]

Because one mana and not having the token does make a difference. If you're on the play, you can cast a 2-drop on turn 4 and leave 2 mana open to muck Jace, whereas otherwise, they get to profit off that Brainstorm and counter the thing.

-Matt

[sdematt]

So perhaps something like:

3 Bayou
2 Scrubland
2 Savannah
3 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Dryad Arbor

4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Tarmogoyf
3 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Siege Rhino

3 Swords to Plowshares
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Display of Dominance

1 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sylvan Library
2 Lingering Souls
2 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize

1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte

--BOARD--

2 Zealous Persecution
2 Krosan Grip
1 Display of Dominance
2 Pithing Needle
2 Carpet of Flowers
3 Gaddock Teeg
2 Containment Priest/other hatebear
1 Scavenging Ooze

-Matt

[Plague Sliver]

New build looks good, will give it a spin.

P.S. Display of Dominance art is just craptacular. Ugh. Even in Russian it's gonna look bad...

P.P.S. I don't think it stops Deed? Deed doesn't target.

[sdematt]

Just killing an onboard Deed, not stopping it.

The art on DoD is fucking hideous. Might have to get alters done.

-Matt

[datanaga]

Hi all,

I would like to play this rock/junk list:

MD:

4x deathrite shaman
4x dark confidant
4x stoneforge mystic
4x tarmogoyf

4x swords to plowshares
3x abrupt decay
3x thoughtseize
3x inquisition of kozilek

3x liliana of the veil
3x lingering souls

1x umezawas jitte
1x batterskull
1x sylvan library

4x wasteland
4x marsh flats
4x verdant catacoms
3x scrubland
2x bayou
1x savannah
2x swamp
1x forest
1x plains

SB: not yet, but probably some like numbers
5x anti control cards (choke, sylvan library, sofi)
7x anti combo cards (teeg, canonist, surgical, nihil spellbomb, hymn)
3x anti aggro cards (disfugure, zealous persecution)

What do you think about above list? What is your advice for SB in general meta?

Thanks:)

[Tokugawa]

Hi all,

I would like to play this rock/junk list:

MD:

4x deathrite shaman
4x dark confidant
4x stoneforge mystic
4x tarmogoyf

4x swords to plowshares
3x abrupt decay
3x thoughtseize
3x inquisition of kozilek

3x liliana of the veil
3x lingering souls

1x umezawas jitte
1x batterskull
1x sylvan library

4x wasteland
4x marsh flats
4x verdant catacoms
3x scrubland
2x bayou
1x savannah
2x swamp
1x forest
1x plains

SB: not yet, but probably some like numbers
5x anti control cards (choke, sylvan library, sofi)
7x anti combo cards (teeg, canonist, surgical, nihil spellbomb, hymn)
3x anti aggro cards (disfugure, zealous persecution)

What do you think about above list? What is your advice for SB in general meta?

Thanks:)

3 IoK have a non-negligible chance of empty cast. Personally, I would replace 1 or 2 IoK with therapy.

[sdematt]

Hi all,

I would like to play this rock/junk list:

MD:

4x deathrite shaman
4x dark confidant
4x stoneforge mystic
4x tarmogoyf

4x swords to plowshares
3x abrupt decay
3x thoughtseize
3x inquisition of kozilek

3x liliana of the veil
3x lingering souls

1x umezawas jitte
1x batterskull
1x sylvan library

4x wasteland
4x marsh flats
4x verdant catacoms
3x scrubland
2x bayou
1x savannah
2x swamp
1x forest
1x plains

SB: not yet, but probably some like numbers
5x anti control cards (choke, sylvan library, sofi)
7x anti combo cards (teeg, canonist, surgical, nihil spellbomb, hymn)
3x anti aggro cards (disfugure, zealous persecution)

What do you think about above list? What is your advice for SB in general meta?

Thanks:)

I think this is a good representation of a nice, well rounded list. 4 SFM and 2 Equipment feels weird, and so does only 1 Sylvan. I'd add a Sylvan, and cut the 3 IoK for 2 Cabal Therapy and 1 more Equips :)

-Matt

[datanaga]

I think this is a good representation of a nice, well rounded list. 4 SFM and 2 Equipment feels weird, and so does only 1 Sylvan. I'd add a Sylvan, and cut the 3 IoK for 2 Cabal Therapy and 1 more Equips :)

-Matt

Thanks you both for your advices.

I played esperblade few years ago and 4x sfm with 2x equipment was gold standard so it isn't looks weird to me:)
I can't find space for 3th equipment or for 2nd library, according to your recomendation I'm on 61 cards:)

About therapy VS inquisition) I can imagine some kind of split between iok and cabal, but I'm still not sure if 3 seize and 2 therapy is enought to fight combo G1.
Miss with therapy on turn 1 is pretty awful almost like with iok, because only creature I want to sacrifice for flashback cost is spirit token and it could be done on turn 3 at best - which is not fast enought imho:(
I'm also bit afraid to be more grave dependant in fear of RIP.

I will give it a try to all your recommendations.

[sdematt]

Just remember you're running 3 Lingering Souls so Cabal Therapy is REALLY good here. I didn't see you were already on 61 ;)

-Matt

[datanaga]

Just remember you're running 3 Lingering Souls so Cabal Therapy is REALLY good here. I didn't see you were already on 61 ;)

-Matt

OK, I will definitely give therapy a try.
I wasn't, but you recommended to cut 3x iok (-3), add library (+1), add equipment (+1), add 2x therapy (+2) :)

[Warden]

@datanaga;872477

4x deathrite shaman
4x dark confidant
4x stoneforge mystic
4x tarmogoyf

4x swords to plowshares ----> I'd run 3 STP, 4 Decay just because Decay is so good
3x abrupt decay
3x thoughtseize
3x inquisition of kozilek ------> If you're "bad" at Therapy (it is a skill), keep running IoK intead.

3x liliana of the veil
3x lingering souls

1x umezawas jitte
1x batterskull
1x sylvan library

Lands

**I personally prefer "stuff" > Lingering. I think LS is too slow for the format, especially now, unless you can guarantee a mid/long game. It's also done very little for me against Delver (removal), Miracles (boardwipes and RIP), and any combo. May just be my luck. I am going against the grain saying IoK is alright. If you suck at Cabal, it burns you. And I'm sure sdmatt can confirm it's a learned skill with how to play/name with it. Over the long game it's nice to live out the LS + Therapy train....but the times I've run Junk recently I felt very behind. I'd rather run 2x Library and a GSZ or two. A goyf could be traded out for a Scavenging Ooze/Rhino, especially if GSZ is around.

[Captain Hammer]

I don't really feel that White gives this deck anything it needs.

How do you feel about foregoing white entirely to ramp up the decks consistency and resiliency against Blood Moon and other nonbasic hate, something like this?

//Lands
4 Swamp
4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Forest

// Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Phyrexian Obliterator
4 Tombstalker or Dark Confidant

// Spells
4 Thoughtseize or Dark Ritual
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Umezawa's Jitte

[Tokugawa]

I don't really feel that White gives this deck anything it needs.

How do you feel about foregoing white entirely to ramp up the decks consistency and resiliency against Blood Moon and other nonbasic hate, something like this?

//Lands
4 Swamp
4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Polluted Delta
3 Wasteland
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Forest

// Creatures
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Phyrexian Obliterator
4 Tombstalker or Dark Confidant

// Spells
4 Thoughtseize or Dark Ritual
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Does dark ritual in a fair deck, do anything helpful to "consistency"? Don't think so.

DRS/decay/Liliana/Bob/Goyf make a excellent "core" of a BGx deck; however, it perform better with a "shell" of red or white spells.

It is much more easier to cast 3cc and 4cc spells with DRS. So BGx decks have more characteristics of Midrange decks, and the old-school "Suicide rush" tactics went to its extinction.

[maharis]

I should've played this deck at eternal extravaganza. Lost to miracles twice and painter before dropping, probably would've won all three. Though I might have had trouble with storm, my only win.