Survival of the Fittest is banned and Time Spiral is unbanned...
After all these talk, its confirmed. SotF is not fit enough for the format.
And after all the discussion about Earthcraft, Land Tax, Mind Twist and Mind's Desire; they still yet to see Legacy tabletops. However, would Time Spiral help Spring Tide get to the next level?
Discuss.
EDIT: for explanations: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazin...y/feature/122l
I think that page also states why Land Tax will never be removed from the list:
There are other reasons some cards are banned; some cards cause logistic problems for tournament organizers running large tournaments. For example, some cards cause so many matches to run out of time that it can cause a strain on judging and tournament organization, and even force tournaments to finish outside of the normal tournament venue. We identify such cards by whether they actually caused such problems when they were tournament-legal
TIME SPIRAL WATCH: [all times -5 GMT]
$5.99 @ StarCityGames (NM/M - currently sold out) [12:10 AM]
$19.19 @ EmpireGamesOnline (Moderately Played) [12:20 AM]
$25.46 @ CapeFearGames (Moderately Played) [1:00 PM]
$34.99 @ StarCityGames (MP) [1.00 PM]
$39.99 @ StarCityGames (NM/M - currently sold out) [1:00 PM]
$49.99 @ AdventuresON (Unplayed) [8:30pm]
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I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forumsOriginally Posted by Kyle
As I stated in the other thread, not even going to waste my time with eBay on Time Spirals. Cheapest set at $34.99, I'm staring at it right now and I can't pull the trigger.
Disappointed to hear that Survival is banned, but oh well. Kind of expected it. Let majikal's Intuition list rape the hordes until the next banning, I say.
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I don't know about that Survival card, but man Time Spiral was having a huge effect on the format and I'm glad it's gone.
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My favorite deck, Elf Survival, had it's heart ripped out. So did a lot of other tier 2 and pet decks like it. All just because the real culprit wasn't on the watch list.
Well, I guess I'll be trying out some Spring Tide lists with Time Spiral. See if they are worth it.
EDIT: Hey! If Vengevine rapes without Survival, can we switch later?
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Pretty unfortunate, in my opinion. Well, didn't even have time to buy any, as of 12:05 AM EST, all but a few Time Spirals are left on eBay anyways, haha. Stores will just be magically "out of stock," so no point in going that route.
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Time Spiral unbanned?
Eek. You really want me to play Springtide, do you?
This looks like a job for me.
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Man, and I was really hoping for Mind's Desire :(
Actually, I bought another Mind Twist yesterday on the hopes it would come off.
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LMAO, i was going to buy a 4th Scroll Rack today to match my playset of Land Tax but decided I'll wait for it. I guess it was worth the wait.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
Time Spiral is unbanned to give the Legacy the potential for another deck. Time Spiral was overpowered in some formats. There are other reasons some cards are banned; some cards cause logistic problems for tournament organizers running large tournaments. For example, some cards cause so many matches to run out of time that it can cause a strain on judging and tournament organization, and even force tournaments to finish outside of the normal tournament venue. We identify such cards by whether they actually caused such problems when they were tournament-legal. Time Spiral did not cause such problems. In balance, the DCI believes the benefits of unbanning Time Spiral outweigh the risks.
Isn't that a really awkward paragraph? Was anyone suggesting that Time Spiral would cause logistical problems?
It is a sweet unbanning, despite the extremely awkward explanation.
Springtide seems perfectly fair. It can't go off before turn 3, and with its main objective now to cast a 6 mana sorcery, it'll probably be longer. It's vulnerable to the same hate as storm.
It's good to see Wizards has something resembling a consistent policy towards banning problematic engine/tutor cards. At least now I feel less angry about the Mystical Tutor ban.
And...Time Spiral does nothing, and will end up being just another Grim Monolith (ie, something they unban to "add format diversity," but which ends up being THE GOGGLES).
Sweet update, Wizards.
To me, it sounded that that explanation was more based on Land Tax. The card itself isnt broken compared to the cards associated with it in the format (from Fetchlands to two-card combos) but it is banned because of the reasons found in that paragraph.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
I totally agree. That paragraph felt like it was written by a high school intern. It had horrible syntax and even what I would assume is a typo; "the legacy." Odd.
I am ecstatic that card is gone. It was annoying and the whole topic was just way too overanalyzed.
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Bought 26 Time Spiral, cheers!
AHAHA! I didn't even notice they wrote "the Legacy". It reminds me of that Miss Teen USA answer from Miss South Carolina.
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LOL
I like this particular interpretation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAJUMYGgfZA
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Erik Lauer states: "[Survival] has caused the competitive format to become significantly less diverse."
Compare SCG Top 8s from before August, and after August. AKA Breakout of the U/G Survival Madness.
Pre-UG Survival-Madness: (time period 1/1/10 to 6/27/10)
Sample size: 72 decks
Code:Merfolk 12 16.67% Zoo 11 15.28% Reanimator 8 11.11% CounterTop 7 9.72% Goblins 5 6.94% New Horizons 4 5.56% Lands 3 4.17% Belcher 3 4.17% Ad Nauseam Tendrils 2 2.78% U/W Tempo 2 2.78% Threshold 2 2.78% Bant 2 2.78% B/W Aggro 1 1.39% Tezzerator 1 1.39% Team America 1 1.39% U/G Survival 1 1.39% Dredge 1 1.39% Landstill 1 1.39% Mono Black Control 1 1.39% Aggro Loam 1 1.39% Show and Tell 1 1.39% Enchantress 1 1.39% Painter's Grindstone 1 1.39%
Post-UG Madness: (time period 8/22/10 to present)
Sample size: 56 decks
Code:U/G Survival 13 23.21% New deck Goblins 5 8.93% G/W Survival 5 8.93% New deck Ad Nauseam Tendrils 4 7.14% Ooze Survival 4 7.14% New deck Merfolk 4 7.14% Countertop 3 5.36% Dark Horizons 3 5.36% New deck Aggro Loam 2 3.57% Team America 1 1.79% Sneaky Tell 1 1.79% Painter's Grindstone 1 1.79% Zoo 1 1.79% U/W Aggro 1 1.79% Threshold 1 1.79% Bant Survival 1 1.79% New deck Burn Deck Wins 1 1.79% Faeries 1 1.79% New deck Dreadstill 1 1.79% New deck BUG Control 1 1.79% New deck Lands 1 1.79% GWB Rock 1 1.79% New deck
Aside from changing the strangehold of Merfolk, CBtop and Zoo, along with introducing several new decks; how has the diversity been reduced?
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Over half of the top 60% or so of the top 8's feature the same engine card. It's obvious.
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