Does this appeal to anyone?
I have to give WotC credit for giving us a flyer in each of the last few sets.
Haste is nice but Swords to Plowshares and Terminus make the Landfall ability underwhelming.
I'm thinking it's not good enough at 3/3 since it has to attack each turn...
but I like the sound of Phoenix Stompy.
Going to have to agree here. Which is not exactly fun to just throw out there because there is a CMC difference.
I like the haste, but it's 3 and even then it's extremely easily removed and I don't want to be paying that much mana to get another 3/3.
Always looking for new toys each spoiler season but goodies are few and far between, especially in the 2R cost. Innistrad was good, though.
"I made a Redguard that looks like Kimbo Slice. He wrecks peoples' shit. And dragons." - Bignasty197
The phoenix is bad. I'm not sure if it will even see play in standard. The body is too small for the cost and the landfall ability costs way too much mana. I mean seriously, 6 mana? Plus a landfall? That thing is never coming back fast enough nor reliably enough to be relevent.
Here's the list I have been testing out. I have seen some really good things so far, but there are still a few spots that I'm not 100% sold on yet. No Dragons, but this was the only place I could find to post a list. I would love to hear some opinions. Has anybody else tried Hangarback yet?
4 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Trinisphere
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Lotus Petal
4 Magus of the Moon
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Hangarback Walker
2 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Magma Jet
2 Urza's Rage
4 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
12 Mountain
I don't know if the 4th Trinisphere is needed. I also am not sure about the eidolons or the urza's rage. I do like both of them so far, but I am wondering if anything else would be better.
Cards I am considering are Rabblemaster, Phyrexian Revoker, Koth of the Hammer, and Bonfire of the Damned.
As far as sideboard, I do like either Eidolon or Sphere of Resistance as added combo hate. I also like Sulfur Elemental, Tormod's Crypt, Sudden Demise, a single Emrakul, Shattering Spree, Boil,
I think Hangarback is good, but Rablemaster does a decent impression and can apply more pressure in a short time which is ideal given the lock pieces we generally play.
As for the 4th trinisphere, the faster you close out the game, the less of a liability the 4th one is. In a slower variant where you are aiming to use Hangarback I would avoid it as the dead draw will bite you a lot more than in faster variants.
Feels so good to Moon people on Turn 1. Sometimes, even on Turn 2 then Magma Jet their 1 drop.
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I've been too chicken to test hangarback. Glad you seem to like it.
Can you speak to its effectiveness versus stuff like Lilliana as postulated?
I really like bonfire a lot. Never tried Urza's rage but it seems okay. Against permission, what are you trying to bolt? Against agro, would prefer a sweeper like Firespout, Bonfire, even pyroclasm before urza's rage, I think. Maybe it's better in your burn-centric build.
If you use revokers, I'd keep them in the side. If you can't get golems to stick, your list looks very toothless in the threat department and I'm not convinced there is enough burn or eidolon triggers to pull out a win without doing some beating. How big are your hangarbacks? 4 mana for a 2/2 or 6 for a 3/3 seems lackluster. Is the real value in the post dying flying beats? How often does it die versus exiled?
Thank you for your list! Looks fun!
If you've got 8ish moons, 8 sol lands, 4-12 other lock pieces, this is the right thread regardless of there being dragons in the list or not unless you're running painter's servant/grindstone. The name is basically the archetype not necessarily related to the creatures at this point. Werewolf and Goblin variants are some pages back.
"I made a Redguard that looks like Kimbo Slice. He wrecks peoples' shit. And dragons." - Bignasty197
I really like the idea of playing Endless One in Dragon Stompy. About a third of the games I play, I seem to get mana flooded with the deck and it would be amazing to be able to sink all that mana into a 9/9. And it could still be played as a 4/4 or 6/6 in other games where the deck isn't mana flooded.
Update to build
4 SSG
4 Magus
4 Prophetic Flamespeaker
4 Rabbles
4 Thunderbreak Regent
4 Seething Song
4 Blood Moon
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
3 Trinisphere
2 Umezawa's Jite
1 Sword of War and Peace
8 Sol Lands
10 Mountains
Sideboard
2 Anarchy
1 Emrakul
2 Manic Vandal
2 Outpost Siege
2 Sudden Demise
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Uba Mask
I saw a list on a deck aggregator website (MTG Goldfish) that was playing Flamespeaker in a deck with the old tech of Raiders and RPD. While I certainly like that build too, and the player was also on Punishing Fire+Grove too, I feel like Raiders and RPD are dated tech. He was also playing REB and Pyroblast in the side and that made me cringe. I replaced them with Rabbles and Thunderbreak Regent. I'm testing Regent but he seems like a better upgrade to RPD--I was playing Stormbreath before and even with Seething Songs, five mana seemed a bit of a stretch for me.
Or it could have just been me--I'm super out of practice with Dragon Stompy so I have to practice it more and more again. Ugh the deck is so unforgiving! But i digress.
Sideboard for me needs so much work. Uba Mask has been good, but not great. I will probably keep 2, and cut the 3rd. I really want to play Pyrokinesis.
Also, nothing from BFZ has really piqued my attention for this deck. Ugh.
I've very interested to hear about specific experiences with Uba Mask.
Also, I put three Pyroblast in my board for tonight's weekly. I'm finally going to bite the bullet and take out the chalices to have a chance at countering some important spells against my horrible match ups (omni, miracles). This debate rages on so I guess I just have to see how it works out.
How has your experiences with Flamespeaker and Sword of War and Peace going? How does it favor versus Jitte?
You don't prefer Stormbreath over Regent? Curious to hear reasons since you have the songs for it. Thanks for keeping us updated.
I'll try to put up a report for tonight's event with my updated list. Still messing around with sideboard as always. I need some fresh tech for omni & miracles (thorn?).
"I made a Redguard that looks like Kimbo Slice. He wrecks peoples' shit. And dragons." - Bignasty197
Is the moggcatcher version of this deck viable any longer? Or is it just dead?
The songs help do degenerate things like turn 1 Blood Moon and Chalice at 1. I feel like that is more pressuring than Stormbreath.
Without Chalice at 1, a Swords Regent causes a 7 point swing in our favor (gain 4, they loose 3).
Again, my distaste for Stormbreath simply comes from inexperience. I need to get the deck more under my fingers before I start making my own misenformed choices. Ack.
Tolstoy with Flamespeaker is great. It comes up rarely, but it's wild when it works. You can basically 1 shot them which is right in vein with what the deck wants to do. The problem is Abrupt Decay--let's test Feast and Famine I guess?
Uba Mask is good, not great. Comes in against blue decks with brainstorm, but it's stellar against Miracles. They can't hide stuff with Top well or do fancy tricks like Terminus mid combat off of a Top draw. That happened one game and boy oh boy did it make the match up a little better. Rabbles is already good against them and messing their draws and top of deck helped way more.
It FEELS like Chains, but 4 mana is a lot and you need to invest a turn into it.
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