He costs double red. Basically it's as easy to cast him as it is to cast something like Thunderbreak Regent as the first 2 colorless mana is likely to already be on the board.Originally Posted by Valleysdai
I understand the aggressive versions running Icy, as it works with their plan better than Bridge when concerned with larger creatures. I'm not sure why Icy itself though. Tapping Artifacts seems mostly useless. And while there are corner cases when tapping their one Basic might be worth it, I'm not certain those will justify the increased cost over many things that tap creatures much more cheaply.
easy... it sux to draw multiple bridges in most cases... the main reason to play both is to have stuff vs show and tell and icy is more flex... anyways it is your choice and its the same story for leyline vs faerie macabre as yard-hate for example...I understand the aggressive versions running Icy, as it works with their plan better than Bridge when concerned with larger creatures. I'm not sure why Icy itself though. Tapping Artifacts seems mostly useless. And while there are corner cases when tapping their one Basic might be worth it, I'm not certain those will justify the increased cost over many things that tap creatures much more cheaply.
That.......didnt answer my question at all. Never even mentioned Bridge.
or
come to mind
... But I have not tested neither them nor the icy
Love this list. Thoughts?
costs more mana to activate = harder to develope your board and if you have to set chalice on 1 array it is dead and icy is harder to kill cuz decay runs wild... anyways both can not tap lands...
or
come to mind
... But I have not tested neither them nor the icy
(ill remove chandra and icy vs delver ofc)
Last edited by Wichtelman; 05-15-2017 at 03:08 PM.
Ok CMC 1 was my bad, but for CMC 2 there is trip noose...
Nevertheless that's not the important point. More interesting is the question of QQQ about how often you actually use the land tapping ability of the icy so that it's higher CMC is paying off!
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Last edited by Wichtelman; 05-15-2017 at 01:13 PM.
Hello there folks.
It's true, I wasn't here for ages, and truth be told, I barely play Legacy anymore thanks to Modern.
Still...I am very happy that the deck evolved so much, and you guys kept developing it.
I have to agree that it's a shame that my primer isn't up to date anymore, but I am willing to rewrite it. I'd need the help of you guys here, either per PM or via Skype or E-mail because likeI I said I am completely out of the format.
If anyone bis interested to send me stocklists / textpassages, etc. feel free to contact me. You 'll get the credit for the work ofc.
Kind regards, and keep locking the opponents out,
Micha
Kenjawn, Mutator of Cells
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Legendary Creature - Horror
Haste, Hexproof, Double Strike, Trample
Kenjawn, Mutator of Cells is indestructible.
Permanents you control can't be sacrificed or copied.
Whenever Kenjawn, Mutator of Cells attacks, defending player gets liver cancer (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)
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If you're running a deck with 8 Moons, 4 Chalice, and some pretty dangerous 3 CMC threats, and you're concerned about an opponent aiming Decay at your tapper, you are probably not spectacular at threat evaluation. If you are spending 4 mana plus an additional mana per turn to even-more lock someone who is already locked under a Moon instead of just killing them, you are probably not spectacular at resource management. More to the point, how often do you actually board in Icy against decks Moon is relevant against? How often do you board in Icy against decks that run Decay? It seems to me that Sneak and Reanimator are the two most relevant ones. Sneak runs Moon itself, and obviously doesn't have access to Decay. Reanimator ignores Moon, and while they can access Decay post board it will likely be aimed at different Artifacts. Unless it's U Reanimator. In which case you do have the advantage of Moon being somewhat relevant. Especially in shutting off Decay. But now you're adding another 4 mana spell against a deck that runs Force, Daze, Seize, and Pierce. Not sure if that's the place to be.
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Thoughts from me? I'd love to talk about the goblins build more. My preference to the build is purely subjective, I'm not stating that goblin stompy is the future. I just like playing with janky red cards.
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Last edited by jandax; 05-15-2017 at 03:01 PM.
As I mentioned before, I have the time and energy to take this over. I have my last final for this semester on Wednesday. After that, I can write up a new primer.
I can do that and share the text dump so the entire thread can agree on the content before we relaunch. I'd like to get this done this week or early next, long before GP Vegas.
I have a GPT in my LGS on Saturday and I'd like your opinions and suggestions on my decklist:
9 snow-covered Mountain
4 city of traitors
4 ancient tomb
2 gemstone cavern
3 chandra, torch of defiance
1 koth of the Hammer
4 chalice of the void
4 ensnaring bridge
2 trinisphere
3 chrome mox
4 blood moon
2 fiery confluence
2 magus of the moon
4 sin prodder
2 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
4 goblin rabblemaster
2 walking Ballista
4 simian spirit guide
Side:
2 grafdigger's cage
2 pithing needle
1 shattering spree
1 surgical extraction
1 cursed totem
1 spellskite
2 torpor orb
1 damping matrix
1 Kozilek's return
1 magus of the moon
1 trinisphere
1 Pyrokinesis
Personally I'm thinking of cutting Koth from the 75 but I'm not sure if I should and what to replace him with.
Fwiw: if this is your style of play you should switch to painter, seems that you want to prison them out but attacking through your own bridge can't work all the time. This is one of the more eclectic stompy lists I've seen. If you're looking to spike a Gpt it's better to go with a more stock list, and show up early to scout the room and decide on sideboard cards before the tournament starts.
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Ironically I switched from painter to dragon stompy (and definitely prefer stompy), I actually thought my list was mostly stock. What makes it so eclectic?
I find the bridge is sometimes a lock piece itself.
You play 2 Magus main, if you are a prison deck you should at least play 8 Moon effects. (Unless you can tutor for 1 like in most painter lists)
I have not seen Walking Ballista a staple in any lists and it doesn't look synergetic with the other cards in your list. I might even say that Hangarback Walker would have more synergy.
And why Snowcovered Mountains? Just for flavor or is there a reason behind it?
I've never been happy whenever I've tried out Spellskite. The Pithing Needles should arguably be Phyrexian Revokers.
But definitely 4 Maguses in the maindeck.
Here's some 'stock' lists for reference:
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=23186&iddeck=179652
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=23117&iddeck=179094
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=23067&iddeck=178510
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=22970&iddeck=177715
I too have played painter for years and maybe that's what i saw in your list. You're wanting to spread yourself out more to cover more bases, but heed my advice and learn to play a stock list. There's several different flavours of the deck, i like goblin the best. Suit your style.
In essence lose the walking ballista for magus 7 and 8, move some number bridges to the side for extra copies of confluence, trade koth for chandra, cavern can go in lieu of basics or cavern of souls. Then you pretty much have a stock maindeck. Do you know what your bad match ups are? Base your side board around that, not what you expect to see. This is a hate.dec so your linear strategy guides decision making on which hands to keep and what cards to take out to side in. I believe fully that this deck needs to be able to play control as well as beat down in any given game.
Going back to your list,if you're just picking this deck up, go stock your first few tournaments. And take a stack of sideboard cards with you to the tournament and scout it out and fill in your side board registration on the spot. Hate 'en out bro
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