[Deck] Meandeck MUD

[Mr. Ages]

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Not to mention Lightning Greaves can be countered and Hall cannot.

Yes, but greaves works on forged and welded creatures. With Hall coming in tapped, you really want it early. As a one of, that's no reliable enough for me.

Any thoughts about going 100% after a hasty BSC? Dropping the utility creatures and upping the greaves count.

[dillonkbase]

my thoughts are that both reanimator and SnT are better at producing a fatty in a less complex and more reliable way....

the utility creatures are why you play this deck... blightsteel still gets exiled with swords

[hyperchord24]

As a one of, you don't really count on it. As that match demonstrated, it's another oops, I win kind of card.

[Mr. Ages]

Interesting, I had been slowly moving toward a more focused list. Looking for either a turn one lock followed by a clock, or a hasty Wurmcoil or BSC on T2 or T3.

I'm going to take a second look at the toolbox. I do like having different options like the Mindslaver and Sundering Titan.

How about Faithless Looting? Currently I'm running 3. Other than the rare case where you can drop Welder on turn one and then loot on turn two into a fatty, I don't want to see it in the early game. It feels like a time walk/mulligan when it is my only turn one action and I'm just using it to improve my hand. Maybe I should just be sitting on it more, or throwing the hand back.

If things are going well, I feel like I should be dumping most of my hand pretty early, so Faithless Looting is often just an expensive Bazaar of Bahgdad in the mid to late game. Dumping 4 cards in the yard in seach of a large bot. I'm not sure it is worth it yet.

Thanks for the responses, we'll see if Jupiter can handle it this weekend.

[Gheizen64]

Interesting, I had been slowly moving toward a more focused list. Looking for either a turn one lock followed by a clock, or a hasty Wurmcoil or BSC on T2 or T3.

I'm going to take a second look at the toolbox. I do like having different options like the Mindslaver and Sundering Titan.

How about Faithless Looting? Currently I'm running 3. Other than the rare case where you can drop Welder on turn one and then loot on turn two into a fatty, I don't want to see it in the early game. It feels like a time walk/mulligan when it is my only turn one action and I'm just using it to improve my hand. Maybe I should just be sitting on it more, or throwing the hand back.

If things are going well, I feel like I should be dumping most of my hand pretty early, so Faithless Looting is often just an expensive Bazaar of Bahgdad in the mid to late game. Dumping 4 cards in the yard in seach of a large bot. I'm not sure it is worth it yet.

Thanks for the responses, we'll see if Jupiter can handle it this weekend.

I agree with your opinion on Faithless, you rarely want to see more than 1 in a game. 3 or more probably 2 is the correct number i feel.
I'd try them in the gamble spot on the latest SGC list.

[(nameless one)]

I agree with your opinion on Faithless, you rarely want to see more than 1 in a game. 3 or more probably 2 is the correct number i feel.
I'd try them in the gamble spot on the latest SGC list.

My list runs 3. That seems to be the right number. The awesome thing I found about Faithless Looting is that it can enable tricks with Welder early game. Before the printing of FLooting, Welder was just there as protection against non-exiling removal, permission and discard on your artifacts. Now, with FLooting, Welder can actually play the roll of Metalworker which is a means to cheat artifacts into play.

The only thing that doesn't play nice with Welder/FLooting trick is Blightsteel Colossus. I myself have cut it from my list though I won't deny it's ability to win games out of nowhere.

[Nihil Credo]

New thread with an actual primer:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...Metalworker%29