Ancient Stirrings was the first card my teammate Jeff Carpenter suggested. It ultimately was shot down after about 5 seconds of consideration.
You gain essentially nothing over ponder. You can't get force or repeal, doesn't pitch to force, and can't stack the top of your deck, all of the important things ponder needs.
You guys... and your not reading the primer.. The only substitute for Kozilek (which isn't really a win condition somuch as it is draw4 for 8-10 mana), would have to be another colorless creature. As of current, the Eldrazi creatures blow the pants off any other colorless creature options per-casting-cost. Root maze is interesting but I can't think of a matchup I would want it in. My troublesome matches are aggro, combo, and waste lock type decks, all of which can play around root maze easily. I would greatly prefer Winter's Orb over Root Maze if I was looking for something to slow my opponents, but this has been considered, and is just bad. The plan isn't to gain life off Glimmerpost. Just because a deck can do something doesn't mean it is essential that it does. This is a normal concept flaw of deck designers. Rich Shay summarized quite well how to evaluate cards when tweaking control decks, which is his personal strength; look at a card and assume you are drawing it while losing and ask yourself it it will help you start winning. All of the cards suggested don't do this.
Not answering the Emrakul question as I already made a hand-holding post/primer regarding the deck. I'll gladly answer questions of folk who read that and have further questions, but I'm not going to repeat myself for lazy people.
Congrates to the best inovator i know even after leaving dead vintage for legacy. Hats off.
Before I invest any time into this deck I need to ask; after playing in this tourney are you still sure 4 is the optimal number of Candelabra. Also, do you think this deck can function with less???
it's just sooooo expensive.
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http://www.tipo1.it/forum/ doesn't link to your thread and the other thread doesn't handle the topic (I read that one). It would help if you could post a direct link to your primer.
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What about some Hibernation\Wash Out against various Elves and\or Zoo?
Elves are just too fast, both Natural Order-version and Elfball, and reaching 4 mana for the Hibernation-like actions are much easier than reaching 7 for All Is Dust
Besides, there's a problem with an opponent's Gaddock Teeg. He basically means no Repeal or All Is Dust for us and all we can do is try to outrace him. I suggest trying Trinket Mage together with Brittle Effigy. And the Mage himself seems just so versatile here!
vs elfball,
Just drop a chalice at 1 and you'll buy enough time to get there. Same goes for zoo, a chalice on one buys you a lot of time.
You could play cards like ratched bomb, crawlspace, weekstone/meekstone and random 0/6 walls for 2
Its at the end. please read.
Candealbra's most important qualities are being an artifact and being immediately usable
Elves is the easiest of your combo matchups. Natural Order doesn't beat you at all.
Have you even seen the decklist? or read these comments? Posters like these that make me tear my hair out. The only assumption that makes sense is they're trolling.
The fact of the matter is that this deck still sucks. I can luck sack my way to 2nd too if you give me enough time. Please start playing real decks.
Imo op is trolling the metagame =-)
Gratz on catching everyone with their pants down.
I'm always glad to see innovation in this format. I'm hoping that this trend continues because I'm getting
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Novelty is really the only reason I feel the deck made its way up the ranks in this event. With all due respect, while it wasn't necessarily your fault, I think you benefited from a tournament featuring good players but also many new players borrowing their friends' decks and playing sub-standard variations of higher-tier archetypes in addition to side-stepping some of your absolute worst match-ups.
You ended up never playing Goblins (the front-runner in Legacy at the moment), lucked out against Combo, played ten Blue cards in a deck with Force of Will (which is God-awful), and played against some very, very favorable match-ups - all the way through Top Eight.
You did a good job, but the deck is far too clunky at the moment and I am flabbergasted it ended up nabbing Power in a 90+ person event.
I agree with Hollywood here. I even built the deck and tested it out, being unsatisfied with simply the report. Results so far: fun, but inconsistent.
For instance, what happens when you lose the singleton Eye of Ugin to a miser's Wasteland?
I chalk this result to Beginner's Luck.
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Right. there's Tfk + Eldrazi.
I tested this deck for a while here are conclusions:
Good MU:
CB
Landstill
Any Middle Tempo without wastelands
50-50 MU:
Zoo
Merfolks
Sneak Attack
GBW Rock
Grindstone/Painter
Bad MU:
Combo any kind killing before turn 4
Goblins
Aggro Loam
Any Loam / waste lock
Dragon Stompy
Stax
Dredge
Worst MU ever met:
Mind Hive
Cloudposts/Eldrazi has potential but focused on CA in such slow deck isn't good. I would think about Exploration/Manabond axceleration
This is definitely the most entertaining tournament report thread I've read in a while.
As far as Trolling is concerned, yeah there are plenty of times when people just don't get what you're doing but they want to express an opinion about it anyway. That's the double-edged sword of posting in an open forum.
As far as misspelling the store name, who gives a shit? There's a dozen other threads about tournaments at Jupiter Games. It's pretty obvious that it was just a typo and the people that tried to label you as disrespectful because of it are being assholes.
As far as commenting on the quality of your deck, I like it. It's weird and hard to play, no doubt, and it's certainly not becoming a major player in the metagame anytime soon (how many other decks feature playsets of Antiquities rares?), but it clearly works well enough to slip past a field unprepared to play against it. And sometimes that's all a deck needs to be. You don't have to invent Survival/Vengevine to break the format. you just need to make something new and unique that actually works that opponents will be confused by.
Thanks for sharing your results.
You play emrakul as a 2 of to take infinite turns with eye of ugin you fetch one up, cast it, next turn fetch up the other one, cast it, take another turn, rinse, repeat.
Ancient stirrings < Repeal. Repeal pitches to FoW which is important to maintain a high blue count. Stirrings does not. And repeal buys time again aggro decks, which is this decks worst MU IMO other than combo unless you have a god hand and they don't disrupt you.
Interesting deck, but I'll have to see it put up more results before I believe it's a real deck. Right now it has top 8'ed once. If it never top 8's again then I'll chalk this tournament result up to luck on your end.
Sigh, I can't build this deck because candelabra is hella expensive now...just need 3 more candelabra's/$240 minimum. Which I won't have lol.
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Originally Posted by Vacrix
When I first started building this deck months back, candelabras were 25$ apiece. Sofar as I know noone else is using them in decks atm. So take that info for what you want about the rising price of them. Now magiccards.info shows them at 64 with a STD of 15.
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