Cheeri0s

[trevaftw]

Hey guys!

I got interested in cheeri0s by reading about it on another site and after reading thourhg this thread and seeing crop rotation and gaea's cradle, it gave me an idea to change the mana sources. My current list is this:


mana sources - 15
1x tropical island
1x taiga
1x savannah
4x lotus petal
4x land grant
2x Summoner's Pact
2x Elvish Spirit Guide

Spells - 11
4x Glimpse of nature
4x Personal Tutor
3x Scapegoat
2x Wild Cantor

Win - 2
2x Grapeshot

Cheerios - 30
4x memnite
4x ornithopter
4x shield sphere
4x phyrexian walker
4x crimson kobolds
4x kobolds of kher keep
4x crookshank kobolds
2x shifting wall


I'm thinking though if I change the mana base to this

2x gaea's cradle
3x crop rotation
4x lotus petal
4x land grant
1x tropical island
1x taiga
1x savannah


It will easily allow for things with higher CMC, such as banefire, double beastmaster ascension, overrun, etc. etc. Lotus petal and wild cantor can provide mana fixing, too.

[grokh]

Hi,

Why not trying Muraganda petroglyphs as a win-condition ?

All your kobolds would gain the +2/+2 bonus for a big strike !

[MaximumC]

Hi,

Why not trying Muraganda petroglyphs as a win-condition ?

All your kobolds would gain the +2/+2 bonus for a big strike !

Because Beastmaster's Ascension is better and the deck doesnt want to run 8 of these effects?

[metamet]

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[trevaftw]

I really doubt this will be any good. It might (and that's pushing it) be worth playing as a 1-of if you're going to the Beastmaster Acension win and they wipe the board, but even then you need 3 white mana to do it which can be pretty hard (especially when your build might run only 3 lands and only one produces white).

[trevaftw]

Anyone have any thoughts on how well cloudstone curio would work in this deck? I feel like it might be worth as a one of so if glimpse fizzles into it, i have a guaranteed backup for storm.

[Hireax]

A question out of curiosity.

You cut the Pacts and Spirit Guides completely. Is this due to the availability of high CMC spells only? Or do you also forsee the potential countering of the Pact as an issue to drop it?

On another note, would Burning-Tree Emissary be an option for you? It replaces itself under a Glimpse and gives you the invested mana back as well to add to your storm count for free, essentially.

Cheer(i0)s,
Kevin

[trevaftw]

A question out of curiosity.

You cut the Pacts and Spirit Guides completely. Is this due to the availability of high CMC spells only? Or do you also forsee the potential countering of the Pact as an issue to drop it?

On another note, would Burning-Tree Emissary be an option for you? It replaces itself under a Glimpse and gives you the invested mana back as well to add to your storm count for free, essentially.

Cheer(i0)s,
Kevin

I've actually updated my list since then. While I don't own 4x cradles (only have one) I've been playtesting it on cockatrice a lot and like this much better.

Spells - 11
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Personal Tutor
3 Scapegoat

Mana sources - 16
1 Savannah
1 Tropical Island
1 Taiga
4 Lotus Petal
4 Land Grant
4 Gaea's Cradle
1 Elvish Spirit Guide

Cheeri0s - 30
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Shield Sphere
4 Phyrexian Walker
2 Skyshroud Cutter

Win - 2
1 grapeshot
1 Last-Ditch Effort
1 Simian Spirit Guide

SB: 3 Signal Pest
SB: 4 Ingot Chewer
SB: 4 Wispmare
SB: 4 Xantid Swarm

My problem with burning tree emissary is that it costs two (which I would rather use on grapeshot) and that it gives me only RG which means I can't play a scapegoat or personal tutor off of it. If I had to, I'd play wild cantor in it's place.

[FTW]

What about Beck & Call?

Too much mana? The additional draw effects mean you basically never fizzle, though maybe slower to assemble.


4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Personal Tutor
2 Beck & Call

4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Phyrexian Walker
4 Shield Sphere

4 Lotus Petal
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
3 Manamorphose
2 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Land Grant
1 Taiga
1 Tropical Island
1 Savannah

1 Scapegoat
1 Last-Ditch Effort
1 Grapeshot


SB:
4 Beastmaster Ascension
4 Xantid Swarm
4 Ingot Chewer
3 Wispmare

[ReAnimator]

While battling insomnia (i seriously never win that match up) i was brainstorming this deck, i have no idea why.
It occurred to me that the new legend rule makes Mox Opal pretty powerful in here as extra petals. Has anyone else tried this? There are 24 artifacts in here if we include them, so it seems reasonable to try out. Adding all 5 colours is great, and better than red spirit guide.

Has anyone tried Cabal therapy as some disruption? is it just better to be all in?

I was thinking Goblin Bushwhacker as the non targeted win con might work in the main, but you probably need to be on Burning Tree Emissaries to get enough power to actually kill.

Here is where i was going to start:


4 Glimpse of Nature
1 Personal Tutor
4 Beck & Call

4 Wild Cantor
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Phyrexian Walker
4 Shield Sphere
3 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Crimson Kobolds
3 Elvish Spirit Guide

1 Goblin Bushwhacker
1 Grapeshot

4 Lotus Petal
4 Mox Opal
4 Manamorphose
4 City of Brass
3 Gaea's Cradle

SB:
4 Beastmaster Ascension
4 Xantid Swarm
4 Ingot Chewer
3 Wispmare

[Stuhl]

I just found this deck a few days ago. Love the concept! I will build this one as it is somehow cheap and seems to make a lot of fun.

I already tried some goldfishing and got the point that often my draw series (before i get the second glimpse running) gets interrupted by non creature cards or mana creatures. I think grapeshot as the only win condition is enough and the places for pest and goblin bushwhacker can be filled up with additional zeros. I mean, in the first game if the combo gets interrupted it is hard and unprobable to recover. I think this deck goes all in.
In the the second game one could change to goblin and pest instead of grapeshot as the opponent might board trap or in general against storm,
which then is more or less useless.

Just my first thoughts about the structure of this deck.


Stuhl

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[fredteded]

Anyway to work in Boseiju to make glimpse un-counterable? Maybe Crop Rotation? Or just rely on Xantid Swarm?

I don't think that works since glimpse/beck have no colorless mana in their costs. Would only really work if there was a thalia/glowrider in play.

[nedleeds]

4 Ornithopter
4 Tinder Wall
4 Signal Pest
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Memnite
4 Phyrexian Walker
4 Glimpse of Nature
2 Scapegoat
2 Beastmaster Ascension
4 Curse of Predation
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Wild Cantor
4 Elvish Spirit Guide


some number of lands ...


3 Gaea's Cradle
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Windswept Heath
1 Forest
2 Savannah


So there are 8 beastmaster like effects now ... only the new one doesn't just blow vs. abrupt decay. If they tap out you get the counters on your men.

[Mr. Froggy]

A friend of mine built Cheeri0s for shits and giggles (ft. Multani's Presence and Chalice@0), it's quite entertaining.

[nedleeds]

Actually. With Craterhoof / Cradle and Mistcutter ... the Beastmaster effects aren't even really needed. I've goldfished a turn 2 kill in 4 of 5 games.

[nedleeds]

Also I self inflicted 40 lashes for ever thinking anything less than 4 cradle's was acceptable.

[magiclovr]

Also I self inflicted 40 lashes for ever thinking anything less than 4 cradle's was acceptable.

To be fair, when i first piloted this deck, the legend rule was quite different (but I still played 4 cradles). I then shifted to only bringing cradles from the board when I tried to transform into the overwhelm/weenie plan with sprout swarm.

But yes, with the new legend rule 4 cradles are indeed back in the deck.

[PirateKing]

A friend of mine who runs this included Noxious Revival in his list, cutting down on Becks and Tutors for room.
He used it to Glimpse -> Revival -> Kobold -> ReGlimpse -> all the Kobolds often enough to what would otherwise have been a fizzley attempt.
Also allowed him to use mana & Tinder Wall to double Grapeshot his single copy out of an otherwise weak Scapegoat combo.
Seems better than Beck as Glimpses 5-8, despite not being able to start rolling off one, once you find 1 Glimpse you're good to go.

Thoughts?

[nedleeds]

It's not great but also has niche utility vs. DRS or a Surgical on your Glimpse.

[HardBrain]

any decklist with those hoof?