Originally Posted by sauce
On another note, what do you guys think of the pox matchup? I was play testing the other night and got murdered by that deck, hardly stood a chance the entire time.
I'd think twice before dismissing that card so quickly, a 1-ofs against Jace and Brainstorm (read: all blue midrange decks) can still catch you with pants off and basically read 4: turn upside down an entire grinding game. And what about GriselLolz?
That card has definitely potential, even in some Cavern of Souls funky attempt.
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I haven't played against it a ton, but I can't say I've had any trouble with the MU. It feels to me like Jund without Abrupt Decay and Bloodbraid. Top and/or Counterbalance are really good. Expect to lose your hand relatively soon. Watch out for LD. Be ready to deal with Liliana. What was giving you trouble?
I think he is a great sideboard card vs combo and control in Legacy. If this card hits the table when the opponent is brainstorming it is gg and dont forget he is still a body.
I like pFires and will surely add them since they are too good not to play if u are playing red. Boseju x1 could help in some cases .. I actually dont think my opponent will discard my explosion rather than many other powerfull cards in my hand. I would keep 2 explosions since im looking forward to flip a force 5 damage, or the other miracle red spells 6 damage , (or also the timewalk one 7 damage maybe,fire/ice for 4) . You posted a classic list with punishing plus stoneforge pack but as i was saying i would like to cut out white to build the UR versiono of it. Still thanks for the Pfires advice ..will add them for sure..
Again,about explosion still figuring out if the surprise effect is not the only good thing about it ... too many high miracled cards wont let counterbalance work but that is the same problem that u wave with white x3/4Terminus..
Hope more ppl would try to give this version of the deck a chance by testing it and suggesting new solutions.. ill edit this post with a new deck build later.
thanks.
Brainstorm is the most popular card in Legacy.
However, the bigger question is, why are you guys having Single Card Discussion regarding Notion Thief in Miracle Control's thread? Are you suggesting to run this card in some kind of Esper Miracle? If not, why don't you guys discuss Notion Thief in Legacy General Discussion, instead of hijacking Miracle Control?
It has flash, potentially ends the game upon resolution, and costs FOUR mana!
twndomn,
I would say that merits some discussion, even if it requires changing the splash color.
Black would not be such a bad idea with duress/thoughtseize and bob. We will be traded blasts blood moon and sulfur element which seems fair yo me I actually feel like targeted discard might help us set up fantastic board positions such as counterbalance/top with bob on the board safely. On another note I have been finding pithing needle to be quite good with shutting down walkers lands and other annoying stuff that running one in the main and maybe one to two kn the board in enlightened tutor based seems like quite a house in certain match ups if you can keep it on the board. How do you guys feel about adding more needles to the 75?
It was not my goal to hijack the miracle thread just to warn the miracle players of this card against Esper Blade that is the most played tier deck that is currently running blue and black. I don't think we should change the red splash for black just for one sideboard card if we change the splash it must be for a most important reason.
About pithing needle... I'm running two in my sideboard and it is awesome. It is cheap, tutorable and extremely versatile. If I were running the RIP version I'd put one in the main deck for sure.
notion thief does nothing against grisel lols. I hear Lord of the Pit with lifelink beats random 3/2 card.
Here my list for the RU miracle deck im gonna play this week and test it a bit:
7 Island
4 Flooded Strand
4 volcanic island
3 mountain
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Grim lavamancer
3 Erratic Explosion
4 Thunderous Wrath
2 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Temporal Mastery
4 Brainstorm
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Force of Will
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Counterbalance
2 Daze
2 Counterspell
i would like to play ancestrall visions but dont know what to cut
This is a lockdown version of the deck tell me what you think and do not be afraid go tell me the idea just will not work.
Main Deck: 60
Artifacts: 7
4. Sensei's Divining Top
1. Pithing Needle
1. Ensnaring Bridge
1. Helm of Obedience
Enchantments: 8
3. Counterbalance
1. Humility
1. Energy Field
2. Rest in Peace
1. Blood Moon
Sorceries: 3
3. Terminus
Instants: 14
4. Brainstorm
4. Force of Will
3. Spell Pierce
1. Counterspell
2. Enlightened Tutor
Planeswalkers: 5
3. Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2. Elspeth, Knight Errent
Lands: 23
3. Tundra
2. Volcanic Island
1. Mystic Gate
1. Karakas
4. Flooded Strand
3. Scalding Tarn
2. Arid Mesa
2. Plains
5. Islands
Sideboard: 15
2. Misdirection
2. Celestial Purge
1. Ethersworn Cannonist
1. Pithing Needle
1. Rest in Peace
1. Humility
2. Red Elemental Blast
1. Pytoblast
1. Supreme Verdict
1. Vendilion Clique
1. Venser, Shaper Savant
1. Sulfur Element
Well, since black is a better splash colour than red as Vindicate > REB as you assessed some time ago- if I recall correctly- it may be a possibility. /troll
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Ha.
I hardly see how discussing Notion Thief is off topic. Whether we are talking about fighting the card (or using it ourselves), it seems relevant.
I don't know about this Red Miracles deck though. It's not that it doesn't seem interesting, but it's not the same deck at all and probably doesn't belong here.
You MD pithing needle, ensnaring bridge, and spell pierce x 3, hence you are very very secure against Sneak and Show. However, You'll probably get run-over by Goblins, or other heavy aggro match-ups.
I still think that. I appreciate your effort to distract people from discussing thief and move onto black splash, but your attempt appeared to have failed. People here are still very much into the supposed scare of the "impending doom" due to the thief, and I am still trying to understand why are all the miracle players here are freaking out about it.
mmm il create a thread then...
The deck comes down to who sticks their PW first. I played a lot against Pox and it always came down to who runs out planeswalker first. If they go Ritual-Liliana and I don't have FoW or at least Det sphere in hand, I scoop as Lili you can't keep in check just runs you over in this MU with all the resource denial. If you manage to get Jace out, you are good as long as you keep racks and other of this stuff at bay and all you need is to keep jace through Lili ultimates.
Pox as well pretty much scoops to Balance+Top on T2 and it just goes down to keeping 2 and 3 on top for the rest of the game.
Post sideboard just be ready for extractions/extirpates and MANY needles :)
Honestly, someone needs to create that thead, and it won't be me, but if it were created, I would be a major contributor, as Esper Miracle is something I have been working on and enjoying so far, however, some input would be wonderful, but I thought it might be intrusive here to post about it. It's awesome to have 4x slots act as 8x when you are playing RiP/Helm version via Leyline of the Void for Graveyard hate and a "Turbo" combo SB plan, where winning sooner rather than later is preferred in certain matchups. Still have Leyline Sanctity, Vindicate, and StiLL have access to Celestial Purge if it's needed. Then, there is still Enlightened Tutor and Personal Tutor, but now add in Lim-Dul's Vault for rounding out your curve and finding -anything- you need. Sorry for the trolling, I just had to condone the idea of black instead of red; the strength of black is just too powerful to be ignored any longer.
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EDIT::: And on topic, if UWr players are worried about liliana, I recommend Fiery Temper, when you discard it, it has Madness (R), deals 3 damage to target creature/player. It's pretty hilarious to see when it hits them as to what just occured. Heheheh. Oh, and I don't know how to do card tags...sorry.
black is also sweet for Enginereed Plague in SB (Merfolk, Goblin, Elf)
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