An excellent idea for a thread. Well done. :)
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Non-budget adds Wasteland and the 4th BB. As I said, it is pretty close to what I believe is optimal. Thoughtseize can be worth using over either Duress or IoK in some metagames as well (even to the point of a 4/2 split rather than 3/3). A 4th Ratchet bomb may also be a good idea.
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4eak
Have you thought of adding a Mono Black Reanimator list? I have a list and I'm sure it's just as good as the U/B one you posted. It also has a better mana base and not having FoW in the blue version hurts a lot. Interested?
I've tried several mono black reanimator lists, but so far, I'm still convinced that U/B is still outright better at the budget level. Perhaps I've not tried the right mono black list though, so I would be interested to see your list. On another note, outside of budget builds, I am convinced the end build is a U/B shell (actually, U/B/g), and I think my initial concern for developing a player's overall card pool (building the end game shell) and gaining experience with a similar deck (U/B budget playstyle is much closer to the end version than Mono Black) leans towards a U/B Budget build instead of a Mono black as well. Mono black would need to be considerably better at a similar (or lower) price to switch, I think.
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4eak
What about MUD Stompy. I've seen versions that don't run Grim Monoliths, Metalworkers and Goblin Welders. City of Traitors can be Crystal Veins. I have also seen version that run with 12-post manabase though I cannot testify their viability. I myself am trying to put together that deck on a $300 budget (Kuldotha MUD version).
I can see where you coming from, but Dredge exists and, in my opinion, is just a better deck, I'm not overly concerned about the differences between running without blue cards. Both are suboptimal decks. But I really like putting giant monsters into play. :P Anyways here ya go.
Mana-22
15 Swamp
4 Dark Ritual
3 Lotus Petal
Discard-12
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
4 Unmask
Tutors-12
4 Entomb
2 Beseech the Queen
2 Buried Alive
4 Putried Imp
Reanimate-8
4 Exhume
4 Reanimate
Fatties-6
2 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Terastodon
1 Blazing Archon
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Platinum Emperion
Sideboard-15
4 Null Rod
4 Faerie Macabre
Extra fatties: Iona, Masacre Wurm, etc.
OPEN SLOTS
I also have a budget reanimator list without FoW, because I don't own underground seas I don's run Daze. Meaning my blue count is too low to support the FoW's, I've replaced them with Thoughtseize and Cabal Therapy. I also run 4x Dark ritual in mine, but I do think that Careful study and Brainstorm is still worth keeping so mine isn't MonoBlack. It's basically U/B with discard as opposed to counters, atleast the discard can target you as well...
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I've been looking into it. I've not found one I'm confident in just yet. I do hope to find something that works. Let me know if you find something that works.What about MUD Stompy.
@ Amon Amarth
Thanks for the list. I appreciate it.
At above average or higher skill levels, I agree with you. I think average pilots might find Reanimator just as good, if not better in many circumstances, a deck. I think Reanimator decks can survive through heavy-GY hate (sometimes it is hard to tell if that is going to be the case when you show up to a tournament) where Dredge often can't. This skill factor often matters for those playing budget decks -- they are usually pretty unaccustomed. And, of course, every likes putting fatties into play, as you point out.I can see where you coming from, but Dredge exists and, in my opinion, is just a better deck
@ Blackmagic
I fully understand where you are coming from. Watery Grave is a substitute, even if it can be painful with Reanimate and racing aggro. That said, it is difficult to get Daze online without using fetchlands. I want to see your exact list.because I don't own underground seas I don's run Daze
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4eak
Nice job on the budget primmer! Maybe some links to the top eight placings of budget decks as well.
Dredge is probably just better then mono black Reanimator but if you were fixed on it I would go with increased redundancy
12 discard outlets: Entomb, Imp, Sickening Dreams
12 Reanimate effects: Reanimate, Exhume, Animate Dead
8 Monster
8 Discard
20:mana (4 Rituals)
Dedicated Hate becomes much more problematic. I don't know how you would deal with LEyline of the Void or an ensnaring bridge.
For expensive as the format can be there are mutliple budget options that are very competetive:
Dredge, ELVES, Burn, and Affinity all kick ass in different metagames.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=37568
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=37569
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=37491
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=37278
Calls for banning are almost always the scrubs way out. Real men view a challenge as something to overcome, a puzzle to solve, an opportunity to be had, and the source of evolution.
Are there budget versions of Rock? In my legacy build, I'm having a hard time with my legacy build.. WGb are my colors.. :P
Three color decks require duals & fetches so probably not. G/w aggro or B/W agrro control are possible, but not quite "budget"
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=33312
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-aggro-4/
Calls for banning are almost always the scrubs way out. Real men view a challenge as something to overcome, a puzzle to solve, an opportunity to be had, and the source of evolution.
@ xifre
Unfortunately, I don't see how to build a competitive budget 3-color Rock deck. If you went for 2-colors, like the traditional , then we might be able to do it.Are there budget versions of Rock? In my legacy build, I'm having a hard time with my legacy build.. WGb are my colors.. :P
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4eak
Really awesome thread 4eak. I like the idea of collecting budget decks here and your lists are really quite good I guess.
I think you can build a budget Eva Green list. Tarmogoyfs can be subbed with Putrid Leech, Thoughtseize with either Duress or Inquisition of Kozilek, The manabase with Fetches + Shocklands. Its definitely Suicide right there!
Also theres that Pernicious Deed split sorcery from Dissension.
EDIT: its Punishment
@4eak, SMR0079, and nameless one.. thanks for the input! maybe i said it differently.. It's mostly W build but with gb splashes.. Im even using gemstone mines for my initial lands.. Im trying to get me some murmoring bosks.. At least it will alleviate my mana problems. And im using Aether Vials to cheat my multicolored crits..
this thread is interesting! It's a good thing i was able to randomly visit this thread.. thanks again..
This thread is amazing. Congrats to the author.
I might check out some of those in MWS, specially belcher, MB agro-control, and dredge.
I already have elves and affinity decks, might change those decks a bit so they resemble ur lists more and can adapt do legacy format.
Double post. Sorry!
Last edited by Tiago_B.; 06-08-2011 at 10:27 PM.
I also want to add that I tried building a budget Aluren (I got the idea from Mogg)
It essentially ran Basics, Fetches and Dredge's Rainbow Lands
Used Spell Pierce instead of Force of Will (The blue count was low anyways)
Used Impulse instead of Intuition (this was before Preordain saw print, though Ponder should be a fine alternative).
It also used Cabal Therapy as a means to disrupt.
It had no Tarmogoyf, Imperial Recruiters. The most expensive card was Jitte (it was the just in case, since I didn't run the Secret Force tech (Natural Order))
The deck was only good if the meta didn't know what you were doing.
I had a decent run with it on MWS. I just can't remember my list since it was on my computer and that computer is fried right now.
I actually tried a budget Aluren too, the biggest loss is FoW, Imperial Recruiter, and Intuition. Some might not consider Intuition to be too expensive though, in which case definitely play it.
I went with the classic Wall of Roots to help with acceleration and fixing. Landing a turn 3 Aluren is sick. Also I ran Coiling Oracle for the same reason. The biggest change was adding more Lim-Dul's Vault for better digging, by losing Intuition it's hard to assemble the combo. Luckily LDV can find you all the pieces you need just a little slower.
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