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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    That card is way too cute. Although playing it and then blasting it with the target trigger on the stack to get rid of your opponent's hand seems like living the dream.
    Quote Originally Posted by ThatDeleuzeGuy View Post
    I want to play as close to possible a 100% reactive deck that also approached 0% variance in how it played. I want to play magic with as little variance as possible. Also had a foiled out miracles deck that was an investment of about 6 grand that is now nearly worthless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee View Post
    My original post did that.

    I'd love to have a battle of wits with you but I see you lack the necessary equipment.

    Good day.

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    A pretty sweet mono-blue painter just top 8'ed a small monthly: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=18056&d=311996&f=LE

    20 LANDS
    1 Academy Ruins
    3 Ancient Tomb
    1 Flooded Strand
    11 Island
    1 Misty Rainforest
    3 Scalding Tarn

    5 CREATURES
    4 Painter's Servant
    1 Spellskite

    23 INSTANTS and SORC.
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Counterspell
    1 Flusterstorm
    4 Force of Will
    4 Ponder
    1 Reshape
    2 Spell Pierce
    1 Transmute Artifact
    4 Whir of Invention

    12 OTHER SPELLS
    2 Back to Basics
    4 Grindstone
    1 Lion's Eye Diamond
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Ratchet Bomb
    3 Relic of Progenitus

    SIDEBOARD
    3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    3 Ensnaring Bridge
    2 Hydroblast
    1 Intuition
    2 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
    3 Show and Tell
    1 Vedalken Shackles

    Seems fun. Love the inclusion of Reshape. Has anyone tried the transformational sb plan?

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    Hi,

    I would like to try something similar with red.
    But it is diffcult to build the mana base 19 or 20 land.
    I am trying to put 3 moon in main deck.
    3 show And tell + 3 emrakul in side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen_Empire View Post
    A pretty sweet mono-blue painter just top 8'ed a small monthly: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=18056&d=311996&f=LE

    20 LANDS
    1 Academy Ruins
    3 Ancient Tomb
    1 Flooded Strand
    11 Island
    1 Misty Rainforest
    3 Scalding Tarn

    5 CREATURES
    4 Painter's Servant
    1 Spellskite

    23 INSTANTS and SORC.
    4 Brainstorm
    2 Counterspell
    1 Flusterstorm
    4 Force of Will
    4 Ponder
    1 Reshape
    2 Spell Pierce
    1 Transmute Artifact
    4 Whir of Invention

    12 OTHER SPELLS
    2 Back to Basics
    4 Grindstone
    1 Lion's Eye Diamond
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Ratchet Bomb
    3 Relic of Progenitus

    SIDEBOARD
    3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    3 Ensnaring Bridge
    2 Hydroblast
    1 Intuition
    2 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
    3 Show and Tell
    1 Vedalken Shackles

    Seems fun. Love the inclusion of Reshape. Has anyone tried the transformational sb plan?
    Haven't tried the transformational SB but otherwise a pretty stock mono U list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    I would like to try something similar with red.
    But it is diffcult to build the mana base 19 or 20 land.
    Try something like this:
    4x Scalding Tarn
    2x Polluted Delta
    2x Volcanic Island
    4x Island
    1x Mountain
    1x Seat of the Synod
    1x Great Furnace
    3x Ancient Tomb
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    I am trying to put 3 moon in main deck.
    If you're trying to do this, then the above manabase will hurt you a lot. Which MU are you trying to improve with the addition of the moons?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    3 show And tell + 3 emrakul in side
    Why the transformational SB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklingske View Post
    Why the transformational SB?
    I'm wondering this as well. It's cool to see a throwback to some of the OG Painter plans but the S&T/Emrakul plan seems really weak with all the decks that you would want to bring it in for. Grixis delver is playing blast effects naturally and will probably bring them in, and if they are usually playing edicts that comes in as well. The combo is fast enough to compete with most combo decks and in the S&T you probably don't want to be casting S&T when omniscience is a frequently played card.
    Quote Originally Posted by ThatDeleuzeGuy View Post
    I want to play as close to possible a 100% reactive deck that also approached 0% variance in how it played. I want to play magic with as little variance as possible. Also had a foiled out miracles deck that was an investment of about 6 grand that is now nearly worthless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee View Post
    My original post did that.

    I'd love to have a battle of wits with you but I see you lack the necessary equipment.

    Good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklingske View Post
    Try something like this:
    4x Scalding Tarn
    2x Polluted Delta
    2x Volcanic Island
    4x Island
    1x Mountain
    1x Seat of the Synod
    1x Great Furnace
    3x Ancient Tomb

    If you're trying to do this, then the above manabase will hurt you a lot. Which MU are you trying to improve with the addition of the moons?

    Why the transformational SB?
    What thinking to create a liste with Show and tell for the suprise after side but CptHaddock said right. It is bad idea.

    I tested your list Drude1, it's really fine. Maybe i will try it in a tornament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    What thinking to create a liste with Show and tell for the suprise after side but CptHaddock said right. It is bad idea.

    I tested your list Drude1, it's really fine. Maybe i will try it in a tornament.
    That's cool. I've really had good success with it. It attacks from multiple angles when necessary which I really like. I've made a couple revisions, mostly in the SB. This is where I am at with it currently:



    // Lands
    1 [MR] Great Furnace
    2 [TE] Ancient Tomb
    2 [UNH] Island
    2 [B] Volcanic Island
    2 [KTK] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [UNH] Swamp
    1 [B] Underground Sea
    2 [MR] Seat of the Synod
    1 [B] Badlands
    3 [KTK] Polluted Delta
    3 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [UNH] Mountain

    // Creatures
    4 [SHM] Painter's Servant
    4 [UL] Goblin Welder
    3 [C16] Baleful Strix

    // Spells
    4 [TE] Grindstone
    3 [IA] Pyroblast
    2 [SH] Ensnaring Bridge
    1 [SOM] Mox Opal
    1 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
    4 [C15] Brainstorm
    2 [MBS] Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
    1 [TE] Intuition
    4 [AL] Force of Will
    2 [AQ] Transmute Artifact
    1 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
    1 [CN2] Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
    1 [MR] Pyrite Spellbomb
    1 [XLN] Search for Azcanta/Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin

    // Sideboard
    SB: 3 [CH] Blood Moon
    SB: 1 [DGM] Notion Thief
    SB: 1 [DS] Trinisphere
    SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
    SB: 1 [AL] Helm of Obedience
    SB: 2 [C15] Fiery Confluence
    SB: 2 [EMN] Collective Brutality
    SB: 1 [XLN] Sorcerous Spyglass

    Not sure which version you are playing. Let me know what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drude1 View Post
    That's cool. I've really had good success with it. It attacks from multiple angles when necessary which I really like. I've made a couple revisions, mostly in the SB. This is where I am at with it currently:

    Not sure which version you are playing. Let me know what you think.
    How have you been finding the hymn matchups with your list? I'm on UR but i'm very tempted to dump flusterstorms and play more proactive cards. I find that having the ability to fluster an early cantrip/hymn in the blue matchups has been extremely useful.
    Quote Originally Posted by ThatDeleuzeGuy View Post
    I want to play as close to possible a 100% reactive deck that also approached 0% variance in how it played. I want to play magic with as little variance as possible. Also had a foiled out miracles deck that was an investment of about 6 grand that is now nearly worthless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee View Post
    My original post did that.

    I'd love to have a battle of wits with you but I see you lack the necessary equipment.

    Good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drude1 View Post
    That's cool. I've really had good success with it. It attacks from multiple angles when necessary which I really like. I've made a couple revisions, mostly in the SB. This is where I am at with it currently:



    // Lands
    1 [MR] Great Furnace
    2 [TE] Ancient Tomb
    2 [UNH] Island
    2 [B] Volcanic Island
    2 [KTK] Bloodstained Mire
    1 [UNH] Swamp
    1 [B] Underground Sea
    2 [MR] Seat of the Synod
    1 [B] Badlands
    3 [KTK] Polluted Delta
    3 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
    1 [UNH] Mountain

    // Creatures
    4 [SHM] Painter's Servant
    4 [UL] Goblin Welder
    3 [C16] Baleful Strix

    // Spells
    4 [TE] Grindstone
    3 [IA] Pyroblast
    2 [SH] Ensnaring Bridge
    1 [SOM] Mox Opal
    1 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
    4 [C15] Brainstorm
    2 [MBS] Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
    1 [TE] Intuition
    4 [AL] Force of Will
    2 [AQ] Transmute Artifact
    1 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
    1 [CN2] Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
    1 [MR] Pyrite Spellbomb
    1 [XLN] Search for Azcanta/Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin

    // Sideboard
    SB: 3 [CH] Blood Moon
    SB: 1 [DGM] Notion Thief
    SB: 1 [DS] Trinisphere
    SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
    SB: 1 [AL] Helm of Obedience
    SB: 2 [C15] Fiery Confluence
    SB: 2 [EMN] Collective Brutality
    SB: 1 [XLN] Sorcerous Spyglass

    Not sure which version you are playing. Let me know what you think.
    I am testing the last version with 2 Brutality.

    Can you explain me your change in sideboard? Why this choice? Sorcerous i think, it's nice to take information. Fiery conflu? for witch match up eldrazi?

    I have 2 tornament in 10 days. I think the bigger i will play Sneak, but the second i will play grixis painter.

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    Hi,

    I did some tests with grixis drude 1, i think the list can do something. I played vs infect, grixis control and eldrazi. Only grixis before side, it's a bit difficult.

    I also did some test with mono blue version, it's really good too. Just i am not sure about some car in the deck.

    Compacta why 2 perilous voyage? Why not jace in the deck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    I am testing the last version with 2 Brutality.

    Can you explain me your change in sideboard? Why this choice? Sorcerous i think, it's nice to take information. Fiery conflu? for witch match up eldrazi?

    I have 2 tornament in 10 days. I think the bigger i will play Sneak, but the second i will play grixis painter.
    I feel like smugglers copter belongs in this deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    Hi,

    I did some tests with grixis drude 1, i think the list can do something. I played vs infect, grixis control and eldrazi. Only grixis before side, it's a bit difficult.

    I also did some test with mono blue version, it's really good too. Just i am not sure about some car in the deck.

    Compacta why 2 perilous voyage? Why not jace in the deck?
    Things I was trying out. Echoing Truth is better IMO.

    I like Jace. Didn't have it. Tezzeret gets wincons straight up rather than brainstorming for them. Can also grab bridge.


    Smugglers copter makes a lot of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compacta_d View Post
    Things I was trying out. Echoing Truth is better IMO.

    I like Jace. Didn't have it. Tezzeret gets wincons straight up rather than brainstorming for them. Can also grab bridge.


    Smugglers copter makes a lot of sense.
    Okok for Truth.

    Why smugglers? because we have to get some creature for animate and just painter i think isn't enough.

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    Hi,

    I did some tests with grixis drude 1, i think the list can do something. I played vs infect, grixis control and eldrazi. Only grixis before side, it's a bit difficult.

    I also did some test with mono blue version, it's really good too. Just i am not sure about some car in the deck.

    Compacta why 2 perilous voyage? Why not jace in the deck?
    Hey, sorry I've been away from this chat board for a while. I went to the team sealed Grand Prix last weekend. It did NOT go well but that did give me the chance to play some legacy in side events. Played a couple different decks but definitely did the best with the grixis painter list. Had one loss to burn. That's the one MU that got significantly worse when moving away from RW painter. The collective brutalities are good in that MU because you can kill a creature, gain 2 life and take out one of their burn spells all in one swoop. I also brought in trinisphere and in my 3rd game I had LED and trinisphere in opener along with welder. He let turn 1 welder live and I played and cracked led to get 3-sphere in graveyard and then welded it in. It stalled him significantly but I never saw a painter to go off.
    I've really liked the alt win con of leyline/helm. It has won me several games. It's still not super fast though and I feel like I need more in my SB to slow down the red and blue-red decks.
    As for brutality, it just felt that it did more overall than flusterstorm. It proactively acts as a duress against storm and other combo decks. It kills pesky creatures (eg.deathrite) and again in a pinch against decks like burn it might be able to buy a turn with the life gain. Seems like even where flusterstorm was supposed to be really good (storm), it would just get ripped out of my hand before i could use it effectively.
    The confluences are mainly for creature removal and/or artifact removal. They are great against D&T. I will say the have been feeling a little slow though against some decks and I'm considering something more like pyroclasm just to come down faster. The lack then of artifact hate can really hurt sometimes though. Abrade might be another option but I wanted more of a sweeper. Of course K.command is always good but for 1 more mana confluence just does so much more.

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    I did 4 round tornament with mono blue painter.

    Win 2-0 vs turbo darkdept
    G1 speed combo t3
    G2 lock the game with spellskite And bridge then combo

    Loose 1-2 vs elfes

    G1 : elfe kill me t3 with natural order, didnt find force
    G2 : lock the game with painter And cephalid then combo
    G3 : elfe combo t3

    Win 2-1 vs burn

    I hate this match up with painter.
    G1 : fast burning me
    G2 : i keep a hand with 4 counterspell (force pierce fluster)
    G3 : same a game 2 i keep a Hand with many counter

    I was lucky he didnt find his side

    Win 2-0 vs infect

    G1 : combo t3
    G2 : combo t3


    Enjoy to play monoblue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    I did 4 round tornament with mono blue painter.

    Win 2-0 vs turbo darkdept
    G1 speed combo t3
    G2 lock the game with spellskite And bridge then combo

    Loose 1-2 vs elfes

    G1 : elfe kill me t3 with natural order, didnt find force
    G2 : lock the game with painter And cephalid then combo
    G3 : elfe combo t3

    Win 2-1 vs burn

    I hate this match up with painter.
    G1 : fast burning me
    G2 : i keep a hand with 4 counterspell (force pierce fluster)
    G3 : same a game 2 i keep a Hand with many counter

    I was lucky he didnt find his side

    Win 2-0 vs infect

    G1 : combo t3
    G2 : combo t3


    Enjoy to play monoblue

    Nice, what was your list please ?

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Quote Originally Posted by Bash View Post
    Nice, what was your list please ?
    I do not remember the last card in my sideboard, i am not at home to check but i played this :


    1 Tezzeret the Seeker

    4 Painter's Servant
    1 Spellskite

    4 Force of Will
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    2 Back to Basics
    4 Whir of Invention
    2 Counterspell
    1 Ratchet Bomb
    1 Search for Azcanta // Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin
    1 Pithing Needle
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Grindstone
    4 Ponder
    3 Relic of Progenitus
    2 Spell Pierce
    1 Flusterstorm


    Collec


    12 Island
    1 Academy Ruins
    3 Flooded Strand
    1 Polluted delta
    3 Ancient Tomb


    Sideboard


    1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
    1 Spellskite
    2 Thopter Spy Network
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Ratchet Bomb
    3 Blue Elemental Blast
    2 Surgical Extraction
    1 Tormod's Crypt

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    I need your opinion, Is it crazy to play grixis painter or blue painter for a GP? I will go to Birmingham.
    I have some others deck but i have more experience with painter (Mono red, Rw, grixis or blue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanhur View Post
    I need your opinion, Is it crazy to play grixis painter or blue painter for a GP? I will go to Birmingham.
    I have some others deck but i have more experience with painter (Mono red, Rw, grixis or blue).
    I think that knowing your deck is better then just switching to a deck that is (maybe) better positioned in such a wide and diverse field as a GP. Play what you like and know >>> play what you think will be better.
    I'm going to Birmingham too and will play some outside of the box deck, just because I hate being part of the flock of sheep that just play the "best deck".

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