[Deck] GW/x Maverick

[AlbyLegacy]

Some observations made today regarding MotWH in completely unrelated match-ups:

- 5 mana is already a stretch to reach. 6 mana for Sigarda seems unrealistic in a reasonable time frame.

- He blows against decks packing Bolts - but that was kinda expected.

what deck was it?

[Barook]

what deck was it?

Various decks without significance, e.g. UR Landstill.

[Artlee]

Various decks without significance, e.g. UR Landstill.

Kind of unrelated, but I assume you met xxShockWavexx, right?

[Barook]

Kind of unrelated, but I assume you met xxShockWavexx, right?

IIrc, I don' think it was him.

My general observation so far is that he's a very expensive lightning rod against any decks that packs targeted removal which can kill him. And that would the most decks in the format.

I'm not sure if Thrun would be overall a better solution since he still dies like a bitch to Liliana. Has anybody plastesting data regarding him?

[ironclad8690]

IIrc, I don' think it was him.

My general observation so far is that he's a very expensive lightning rod against any decks that packs targeted removal which can kill him. And that would the most decks in the format.

I'm not sure if Thrun would be overall a better solution since he still dies like a bitch to Liliana. Has anybody plastesting data regarding him?

Thrun is great in the sideboard. Vs control decks you can put him in in place of stp and vs aggro you can replace a thalia/teeg with him. When it comes to liliana, if they are ticking up and your board is clear you have probably lost that game anyways. Mirran crusaders are good vs any deck running her.

[Megadeus]

By himself thrun dies to Lily, but you usually have more than one creature on the board, and if nothing else, surprise,dryad arbor off of a fetch land, saves Lily

[Barook]

Thrun is great in the sideboard. Vs control decks you can put him in in place of stp and vs aggro you can replace a thalia/teeg with him. When it comes to liliana, if they are ticking up and your board is clear you have probably lost that game anyways. Mirran crusaders are good vs any deck running her.

Yes, Mirran Crusaders are great, especially because they're immune to AD and can punch through BUG's entire creature base (among other things), but at least for the 3-colored version, seems harsh and he competes with KotR for the 3cc slot without being tutorable or having land search utility.

[test1985]

I have been using 2x mirran crusaders mb in my GW build and it wins me games almost immediately. My meta is more BGx. I replaced my 2x Aven Mindcensor for it.

Also, since my Meta is BGx and a bit of rug/patriot, i also have loxodon smiters sb. All in all, smiters are threats not to be taken lightly.

I have also been testing out imposing sovereign as sb against sneak show and elves. I'm still trying it out. Will post more data after a few weeks.

[TiltingKitty]

I fail to see how Imposing Sovereign actually helps the Sneak Show matchup, as opposed to more general-purpose cards like O-Ring. What are the odds that you can actually kill them during that 1-turn delay?

[Barook]

I fail to see how Imposing Sovereign actually helps the Sneak Show matchup, as opposed to more general-purpose cards like O-Ring. What are the odds that you can actually kill them during that 1-turn delay?

Can't they just sneak it in at the end of your turn, untap and still ruin you on their turn?

Mirran Crusaders sound like fun in a GW build with Hierarchs/Pridemages for lots of exalted triggers.

[Koby]

Can't they just sneak it in at the end of your turn, untap and still ruin you on their turn?

Mirran Crusaders sound like fun in a GW build with Hierarchs/Pridemages for lots of exalted triggers.

Or even just Jitte/SoLS equipped. That's a lot of triggers that kill your opponent.

[Barook]

Or even just Jitte/SoLS equipped. That's a lot of triggers that kill your opponent.

I think you're talking about SoFA. Interestingly enough, SoWaP doesn't only make him removal-proof against about just anything minus JMS, he also instagibs opponents with 6 or more cards in hand (less cards when they have less life).

Elspeth makes him an evasive two turn clock as well.

[Megadeus]

To be fair a decently sized knight is probably just better in most cases than crusader. Though running crusader does make RIP a bit better out of the board

[Koby]

I think you're talking about SoFA. Interestingly enough, SoWaP doesn't only make him removal-proof against about just anything minus JMS, he also instagibs opponents with 6 or more cards in hand (less cards when they have less life).

Elspeth makes him an evasive two turn clock as well.

Any sword helps really. Jitte does make him lethal after one swing: Deal 2 (2 counters, pump?) Deal 6. Next turn, deal 6, then 10. The +2/+2 bonus is often good enough, as it's going to deal 8 damage each turn with a non-marginal benefit.

[TiltingKitty]

Mirran Crusaders sound like fun in a GW build with Hierarchs/Pridemages for lots of exalted triggers.

Mirran Crusader is certifiably a boss. The problem is the 1WW, which is like the worst mana cost ever (though at least he can't be Decay'd).

[Barook]

To be fair a decently sized knight is probably just better in most cases than crusader. Though running crusader does make RIP a bit better out of the board

Enemy DRS that are active are a far bigger issue for KotR than running RiP.

[Ayiluss]

Any thoughts about Mirran Crusader in GWb aka Dark Maverick? Is it worth or is it just too hard to cast him (even with Cavern of Souls)?

[Koby]

Any thoughts about Mirran Crusader in GWb aka Dark Maverick? Is it worth or is it just too hard to cast him (even with Cavern of Souls)?

Ideally the manabase is built to be able to cast him; and fetching should be done to maximize your options. It doesn't seem like a stretch to accommodate Mirran Crusader even in GWb builds.

[Barook]

Any thoughts about Mirran Crusader in GWb aka Dark Maverick? Is it worth or is it just too hard to cast him (even with Cavern of Souls)?

I agree with Koby.

The manabase can be build to cast him. It's rather a issue what to sacrifice space for since the 3cc slot is getting crowded. KotR has utility, is easier to cast and a pretty decent MD counter to S&T Emrakul because he can just fetch Karakas and laugh at their misery.

A straight GW build probably has more ways to synergize with him (more exalted creatures, etc) as well than Dark Maverick. But it all is really build-dependant.

Maybe I'll try to brew something.

Edit: Here's a rather unpolished list. Most likely needs to cut some corners to make some room for Thalias to get at least some MD disruption going (since it's mostly the list I'm using minus discard and slight modifications).

4 Windswept Heath
3 Savannah
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Karakas
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scrubland
2 Bayou
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Maze of Ith

4 Mother of Runes
3 Deathrite Shaman
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mirran Crusader

4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith

1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of War and Peace

SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 Umezawa's Jitte
SB: 1 Engineered Plague
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
SB: 1 Sword of Feast and Famine

[ironclad8690]

I fail to see how Imposing Sovereign actually helps the Sneak Show matchup, as opposed to more general-purpose cards like O-Ring. What are the odds that you can actually kill them during that 1-turn delay?

Sneak makes them sac it at end of turn, so even if they sneak it in at the end of their turn, they still have to sac at the end of your turn.