Sphere was here cause I wanted another card which could be usefull in the elves MU and vs Storm to. I would rather play another Gaddock or a lonely Mindbreak trap.Originally Posted by Fatal
What's our plan vs the new Toxic Deluge? Seems like it would be a beating.
Hi,
can it be that we played against each other at the Super Sunday Legacy event at GP Florence in 2010? I played Jund Aggro Loam and you were playing 5c Survival and I lost 2 times :-) First time in the finals of a Sideevent and second in the Mainevent Round 6...
First I thought what kind of random shit but then got blasted by stasis and merieke
Looks strange but it is soooo teched!
For example: I had double crusher (7/7 8/8 or so) and he took control of both with Merieke and crushed me with thatCant remember anymore how exactly it worked but it worked.
In a other game I had double crusher + Goyf in beatdown mode and he ruined my day with stasis + Quirion Ranger + Noble Hierarch
I couldnt believe at the first moment that stasis were legacy legal because its soo powerful and nobody played it
I take my hat of Mr. Survival! Only guy I lost to this weekend in legacy!
Greetings
Currently playingEldrazi
Die like a bitch since Teeg can't stop it - or pack Lifeforce in your sideboard.
-Master is a pretty big beating against Shardless BUG which was very popular both locally and nationally during the past few months. Even then I'd still consider it replaceable if a better SB option presents itself.
-I almost consider it's benefit against other midrange decks to be a much greater reason to have it in the MB. With 5 mana dorks and Cradle it's easy to have the mana required to fetch her via GSZ. Having a haymaker to GSZ for is very comforting for me at least.
-Depending on what I take out of the SB, I'm considering trying to put a SoFaI and Zealous Persecution in there to hedge a little against TNN. Also a 3rd Persecution obviously helps against Elves, mirror match, D&T, and even combo decks on the Empty plan.
-Like Master, Garruk is pretty good against midrange decks that feature cards like Baleful Strix, DRS, and Dark Confidant. Can't be made bolt-proof by mom but taking eating one of their vital creatures then them having to throw a bolt at it isn't the worst thing in the world.
-Yep, that's the exact reasoning I use anytime I'm thinking of switching up the 3/2 split now. No other configuration feels right.
Master doesn't seem too bad against Jund. Aren't most lists only running 2 bolts now?
As far as TNN goes, I'm thinking about putting Elspeth back in the MB which I took out after making the jump to the black splash. Also putting either a 3rd Zealous Persecution, 1 Engineered Plague, or 1 SoFaI in the SB. SoFaI is more reliable against TNN specifically due to SFM but the other 2 are better in different matchups.
Now that is some sweet old school tech. Almost makes me want to go back to an enlightened tutor sideboard.
This is what I'm currently at for the GP in DC this coming weekend.
Currently I'm debating if I want a fifth mana guy in the mainboard, if I want a fourth discard spell, and if I want to find space for a Zealous Persecution in the sideboard. I always expect to face a number of tribal decks at larger events (played against 3 goblins and fish last scg open), so between that and TNN I wouldn't mind finding the space. I actually wouldn't mind trying out an Engineered Plague in that slot either, maybe I'll try testing that at Legacy tomorrow evening.
2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plains
3 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
3 Mother of Runes
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Thoughtseize
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
Sideboard:
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Crop Rotation
1 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Life from the Loam
2 Choke
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
I feel like maverick could win the gp
Maverick for life
Does anyone continued testing with ESG?
I really gave good results, I never regretted to have her in hand ... what worries me now is the TNN, what answers we have in straight G / W??
My dark maverick build is very close to yours. I would recommend cutting the abrupt decay and sword of light and shadow from your board for 2 zealous persecution. SoLaS is good against the same decks that Zealous is, and the 3rd abrupt decay might be overkill. That being said your deck looks solid, and of course you can do as you'd like.
I could get behind cutting the Decay and the Sword - both seem like reasonable excludes once I have access to Persecution.
I'm trying to figure out just how exactly my board shapes up in most of the common matchups, but I think running two Zealous Persecution is something I could get behind.
good luck!
your deck looks solid, very similar to a build i took in a tournament recently. i may have asked this before, but i'm just interested in your justification.. why 3 moms and 1 safekeeper instead of 4 moms?
did you consider Batterskull in the board? why or why not? is it because you don't have Gaeas cradle that you decided against it?
why no >4cc bombs such as Thrun, Sigarda or Master of the Wild Hunt?
i agree with zealous persecution. the tournament i joined still didn't have True Name legal in legacy, but the persecution did a lot of work against the mirror and esperblade.
and for the crop rotation, is it only vs rug that you'll board this in?
my thoughts for your consideration
-1 ooze main, -1 safekeeper main, +2 mirran crusader.
+1 ooze board, -1 crop rotation
Thanks!
And Elves. And D&T. And Grixi...
Persecution is a must have right now, and an incentive to splash black by itself.
So this is basically what I'll be taking to the GP. Am I going too heavy on the 4+ drop haymakers? Thinking of cutting Garruk for a Sword of Fire and Ice since it seems like TNN is going to still be all over the place this weekend. Plus Garruk almost never truly shines unlike Sigarda vs Jund, jumping KOTR with Elspeth, or Master vs BUG. Besides that I'm very happy with my current list and feel confidant going into the weekend.
Creatures:
3x Deathrite Shaman
2x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
2x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Thalia
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Sigarda
1x Dryad Arbor
Equip:
1x Batterskull
1x Jitte
Other:
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Abrupt Decay
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Sylvan Library
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Lands:
2x Savannah
2x Bayou
1x Scrubland
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
4x Wasteland
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
1x Forest
1x Karakas
1x Cradle
Sideboard:
2x Ethersworn Canonist
4x Thoughtseize
1x Engineered Plague
2x Zealous Persecution
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Garruk Relentless
1x Master of the Wild Hunt
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze
This looks like a very different build from what you initially put, making the deck more top heavy. I hate to see the day when i draw 3-4 4cc guys in my opening hand x.x But i do understand where youre coming from based on the decks you are anticipating to face.
I suggest you take off Elspeth since you're not playing Mirran.
Mainboard the SOFaI and put Batterskull in the Board. This is more of a meta call because of TNN, which is probably why you took off Maze of Ith too.
just my two cents, but your list looks solid nonetheless.
My 2 cents on your list, which matches my tastes a lot:
- I would switch the Abrupt Decay main for the pridemage in the board, as the equipments will be prevalent (on TNN) next weeks and being able to search for an answer is priceless. Decay is more usefull in a tempo metagame
- Safekeeper is not impactfull enough to be a SB card. If you want to play it, put it in the main for a Mother
- As I said previously, I will never attend a big tournament without Choke in my board. Same goes for O Ring, which is mandatory to have a chance vs S&T decks. Discard is not where you want to be in these MU, as the endless stream of cantrips on their side decrease a lot the efficiency of your Discard Spells.
- What is your boarding plan vs Miracles? I would dedicate one/two SB sloat to improve the MU (in my SB i got two Pithing needles to shut down top/Jace)
Good luck for the GP
I wouldn't do that as a huge flying Knight is great vs TNN. The best hope we have when facing TNN is to race it, as we have no MD way to remove it. Flying over and boosting the stats of your creature is a good way to do that.
I've been playing 3/1 for a while, but I played 4 Moms a few weeks ago, then switched back. I like having Safekeeper as a GSZ target because I find that I often just need a turn or two of protection to stabilize the board. Safekeeper has qasi-haste and is an efficient answer.
I used to run Batterskull mainboard actually - it's a bit worse without Cradle, but certainly manageable. Since I'm on 2 Stoneforge + Black Spells now I opted to drop it. There are plenty of situations where I've wanted to have a Batterskull available to tutor out, but at the moment I'm just not sure that I have the space for it now with the spell count in the deck.
As for Sigarda/Thrun/Master it boils down to not having Cradle in the deck. With deathrites I found my mana weaker as I don't have as many dedicated (and reliable) mana sources as I once did. I'd like to be running a Sigarda, it's certainly a very powerful card that can win matchups on its own, but I neither own a cradle nor do I think I'd be able to run Cradle without cutting back on a spell (probably a Thoughtseize) - there's no way I'd run Cradle over a land. Once I test a bit more with this list I'll probably pick up a Cradle at the LGS and brew with that.
At the moment I'm at 2 Persecution in the board.
Crop Rotation is outdated, and I've had it in far too long, but it's for Dredge, Reanimator, and Sneak/Show (marginal) predominately. It's the next card on the chopping block.
I certainly like Mirran Crusader main - the last time I played Junk I ran three and enjoyed smashing opponents with him. I'll have to see what I can do with the list to squeeze 'em in. I'm not a fan of running fewer Scavenging Oozes - I find him to be important against Goyf and Deathrite decks - and prefer to have the second to increase the changes of naturally drawing one.
The big thing I'm questioning right now is the number of Sylvan Libraries to run. Now that I have 2 Abrupt Decay in the main it's less difficult to find a removal spell, and I might want to cut the Library in order to run some more interesting threats such as Mirran Crusader.
Thanks for your ideas buloid.
I still swear by 1 Sylvan, but i know of other players who have taken it out totally.
I still keep 1 in my deck at all times.
5-2-1 drop at GP Washington DC. Lost to ANT and RUG Delver, drew against UWb Stoneblade w/ Truename. I'll post a short report later.
Zealous Persecution was fine in the sideboard all day. Definitely liked my list and would play it again. [There were 3 times today when I wished I had Rogue's Passage in my deck - I might try to work that back in, or test out the Dark Depths plan as an alternate]
Loss to ANT was him t1 Ad Nauseum-ing into the win while I sat with Teegles and Thalia in hand. Game two he just had the nuts 4 rituals + led to beat my Thalia + Wasteland on his t3. Definitely think the matchup was fine and my keeps were fine.
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