What about in Death and Taxes? Wouldn't the Pegasus reinforce their strategy of mana denial even further?Originally Posted by Warden
D&T could already play Glowrider at the 3 spot if they really wanted another tax effect.
Wooded Foothills is strictly worse than Verdant Catacombs if you're playing a Scrubland.
I'd suggest finding room for a 2nd Library and Sword of Light and Shadow in the 75, both mainly being concessions to the poor yet abundant Miracles matchup.
Some lists run Mindscensor as a hatebear flyer to help get equipment across. Is this not a strict upgrade specifically because its an Aven Mindscensor with a more relevant ability?
This is hard for me to grasp. I'm assuming you're asking which ability is better (given the "more relevant ability" statement). If you're comparing the new card (thalia tax #2) to Mindcensor, I am of the opinion mindcensor is more powerful.
Both Maverick and DnT like Thalia. However, if I were inclined to run a 2W 2/1 flying thing, Mindcensor's flash + ability to stop people from digging from fetches/respond to tutors/respond to SFM is better. It's also a flash-blocker. The new guy is better in bulk (ie; if you have multiple copies on the table), but at that point I'd argue you ought to be winning the game regardless. Both bodies (new pegasus and censor) are identical...and they die miserably to ping effects (see: burn like forked bolt). I also think given the way Maverick is evolving (more spells like decay and stuff in the main), I wouldn't want to shoot myself in the foot too much. I still rely on GSZ and equipment and there are awk moments when Thalia interferes with my lines. I would have to shift the focus of the deck considerably to mitigate these problems. I welcome the card, but would really need to test it out. If the opponent plays lots of creatures as well, this thing is a waste of space in the deck IMO.
Thoughts on Evolutionary Leap? Nothing too fancy, just 1-2 copies to add to GSZ and Library shenanigans. It makes spot removal much worse and can diminish the effect of mass removal if you have mana open. It would also make SoLaS for recursion better.
I have mixed feelings. It doesn't put the card into play. Plus you need to keep mana open (something I don't find myself doing unless I'm durdling).
It just struck me: Why aren't we running Wilt-Leaf Liege as GSZ target? It has a nice body that is bolt-proof and AD-immune, is a double lord for quite a few of our creatures, and provides random discard protection vs Liliana when drawn. Has anybody ever tried that out?
It requires a specific meta you're looking to beat. If you're worried about -1/-1 sweepers, discard, and Liliana they rock. It's also a nice GSZ target.
I've had success with it, but again, you need to gameplan against a specific meta. Source
The following Maverick variant took down 2 different Grand Prix Lille trials -
4 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Life from the Loam
2 Sylvan Library
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dark Confidant
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
1 Savannah
1 Forest
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
1 Maze of Ith
2 Barren Moor
1 Tranquil Thicket
2 Slaughter Games
2 Choke
2 Golgari Charm
2 Thersworn Canonist
2 Thoughtseize
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Leyline of the Void
1 Reclamation Sage
Thoughts?
Hey Maverick-players, I'm not a Maverick aficionado and I have a question: Isn't Collected Company good in Maverick as a 1-2 of? I'm just curious what you guys feel about the card.
This is the LOAM deck which just won Prague eternal 2015.
"Maverick variant"? Could it be called as a "Jund variant" or "NIcfit variant" or "Lands variant"?
I hear they got twisters miles wide in the Midwest.
Actually it's quite old construction (some changes was made like no sesmic assult or burning wish - more removal - abrupt decay, GSZ and Liliana) called 4-color Aggro Loam. Just loam / cycle lands engine with wastelands, KotRs, Confidants etc..
I've been trying it for a few months and it has tested well.
So, I've been playing Legacy for about a year now. I've gone through a few different decks until settling upon Maverick and I been thoroughly enjoying it. Posted below is the list I'm running right now so feedback would be appreciated.
Dark Maverick:
Land (23):
1x Bayou
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Dark Depths
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Karakas
1x Marsh Flats
2x Savannah
1x Scrubland
1x Snow-Covered Forest
2x Snow-Covered Plains
1x Thespian's Stage
2x Verdant Catacombs
3x Wasteland
4x Windswept Heath
Creature (23):
1x Courser of Kruphix
4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Gaddock Teeg
4x Knight of the Reliquary
4x Mother of Runes
2x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze
2x Stoneforge Mystic
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Instant (8):
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Collected Company
4x Swords to Plowshares
Sorcery (4):
4x Green Sun's Zenith
Artifact (2):
1x Batterskull
1x Umezawa's Jitte
Sideboard (15)
2x Choke
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Gaddock Teeg
2x Oblivion Ring
2x Rest in Peace
1x Sword of Light and Shadow
3x Thoughtseize
2x Zealous Persecution
The effect is amazing. The card is not. It costs 4 and is a spell....in a deck that wants to make spells cost more + disable spells with X and/or spells that cost 4 or higher. I find decay, zenith, and equipment to be "tolerable" under Thalia. GSZ not interacting with Teeg is sometimes costly. I can't image banking on intentionally playing this card as part of my gameplan.
If it's a miser card, then we have another discussion. I am yet to play this thing in competition. I think it's doable but would rather run a variety of cards (including 61st card) over this as #60. My most recent exploration has been SDT instead of Library and that was fantastic tbh. We'll see if top lives next week (people speculating it's getting banned). If I wanted a "homerun" card that nets me fuel, I'd go with Library or Confidants over CC.
So do we want to run Vryn Wingmare?
I was thinking of trying out this list:
Creature (27)
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Mother of Runes
1x Noble Hierarch
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Gaddock Teeg
3x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Knight of the Reliquary
3x Vryn Wingmare
Sorcery (4)
4x Green Sun's Zenith
Artifact (2)
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
Instant (4)
4x Swords to Plowshares
Land (23)
4x Verdant Catacombs
4x Windswept Heat
4x Wasteland
1x Misty Rainforest
2x Savannah
1x Scrubland
1x Bayou
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Karakas
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Forest
1x Plains
Sideboard (15)
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Bojuka Bog
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Krosan Grip
1x Sylvan Library
4x Thoughtseize
3x Zealous Persecution
Thoughts? Comments? I haven't played much Maverick (just a few proxied up games). But I am no stranger to Legacy (been playing for years; have played Shardless BUG, RUG Delver, Stoneblade and ANT up to this point. All pretty extensively).
Hey Chaam,
I'm quite intrigued by your list and it seems very well balanced - especially for someone who doesn't have years of tweaking Maverick lists under his belt!
I do believe Vryn Wingmare should be tested.
Creatures (31)
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Mother of Runes
1x Dark Confidant --------------- odd ball. could be two. I wanted some more C/A.
1x Noble Hierarch
2x Qasali Pridemage ------------ upped to two
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Scryb Ranger
2x Gaddock Teeg --------------- upped to two
2x Stoneforge Mystic ----------- -1
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Knight of the Reliquary
3x Vryn Wingmare
Sorcery (4)
4x Green Sun's Zenith
Artifact (2)
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
Instant (3)
3x Swords to Plowshares --------- -1
Land (22) ---------------------- -1. 22 definitely is sufficient with 5 mana dorks (6 counting Arbor) and 4 additional ways to find them
4x Verdant Catacombs
4x Windswept Heat
4x Wasteland
2x Savannah
1x Scrubland
1x Bayou
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Karakas
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Forest
1x Plains
Sideboard (15)
1x Abrupt Decay ----------------- -1 (+2 QPM in the MD)
1x Bojuka Bog
3x Ethersworn Canonist --------- +1
2x Choke ------------------------- +2
1x Sylvan Library
4x Thoughtseize
3x Zealous Persecution
As you can see I tuned your foundation more towards a meta dominated by blue - so basically every meta :)
Have a nice day!
If you are running new glowrider, you probably need to cut gsz and run vial instead while running the full playset of stfm.
I agree with pointicus in the sense that you can't jam Wingmare into an existing 75 and expect it to work. You have to make some accommodations. And while you don't need to necessarily have a full playset of SFM, you definitely can't go down in count.
And, as always, Bojuka Bog is a wasted slot in the 75.
The tournament I started is over. You should join the next one.
I don't like the idea of Vryn Wingmare (lackluster overall IMO) but if I were to include him, I'd follow @pointicus an go with Vial. Zenith suffers too much. Not to mention Vryn is another non-green dude.
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