[SCD] Torpor Orb

[Forbiddian]

Why is Countryside Crusher on this list? It's not even affected at all.


Flame-Kin Zealot? There are better DR targets usually.
Tidehollow Sculler? Who plays that?
Kitchen Finks? Lmao, yeah, -2 life. Ridiculous play.
Reejerey? Can't tap this!
Fleshbag Marauder? Even if this card were played (hint: it's not), it would also protect the player from saccing it anyway.



Silvergill Adept could be added, but I guess the point of this list is to highlight how bad these effects are in Legacy. There's no deck (except Aluren?) that you'd EVER want this card against. It's best against Goblins, stopping Matron, Ringleader, and (Stingscourger), but you'd still rather have an actual answer.

[fallenphoenix]

Reejery doesn't trigger on EtB, he triggers on casting a merfolk spell, just saying.

[Cenarius]

Ok, I'm pretty sure that Torpor Orb isn't good enough to make a deck out of it (with multiple Orb's).

I tried this list:

4 Dark Confidant
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
2 Hunted Horror

3 Torpor Orb

4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Ghastly Demise
4 Mental Misstep
4 Stifle

4 Ponder
1 Preordain

8 fetch
4 Underground Sea
1 Island
1 Swamp

My findings after about 20 testgames:

Hunted Horror just isn't good enough, it's too small. Therefore the whole deck fails apart, IMO.

Some numbers:

Goblins 10-3
Zoo 3-3 (he had every game a Path to Exile)
Dreadstill 0-2 (pretty bad matchup)

Lost games due to bad draws, literally. Flooding about half of the time, or simply don't draw one of the two combo pieces after 4 cantrips, 2 Dark Confidant triggers + 6 draws.

[dahcmai]

I guess it shoves Aluren even further back in time as a deck to not be playing.

[vanele]

My issue with Torpor orb is that it doesn't effectively make dreadnought stifle a better combo. For 1U I can run Trickbind, and while it must be cast on the same turn as dreadnought, it can get greedy players who try to and counter the stifle effect. With a Torpor orb you are essentially paying 1 more mana than stifle to reveal your tricks to your opponent, which will (especially in a format where mental misstep is legal) just get your other combo pieces picked apart.

The only situation i could find this card more useful than already available cards is if you are trying to run it in a non-blue deck. Other than that Trickbind will serve you better almost every time.

[Darth Nihilus]

how about etched monstrosity from new phyrexia?

its basicly a 10/10 without any drawback.

lets say u play eater of days opponent grips your torpor orb, GG

monstrosity is atleast a 5/5 beater for cmc 5 and can get their on it own with the controll shell you are allready running

[Barook]

how about etched monstrosity from new phyrexia?

its basicly a 10/10 without any drawback.

lets say u play eater of days opponent grips your torpor orb, GG

monstrosity is atleast a 5/5 beater for cmc 5 and can get their on it own with the controll shell you are allready running

Orb doesn't prevent the counters from being put onto Mostrosity.

[Darth Nihilus]

i fail to understand why not

[fallenphoenix]

Etched Monstrosity still enters the battlefield with 5 counters even if you have Torpor Orb out.
Seriously, some people need to understand how cards work/interact...
Edith: Ninjad. Explanation: This is not a triggered ability. Triggered abilities start with "when" or "whenever".

If there was another cheap, colorless BFM to play alongside Dreadnaught in a stompy-shell, I could see Torpor Orb getting played. Just for the reason that Torpor Orb enables any number of big dudes, T1 Ancient Tomb->Orb, T2 drop 2 Fatties seems legit.
But alas, there is none and Torpor Orb is such a bad card on its own, even blatantly disabling Trinket Mages which would otherwise be a fine choice.

[owenzzz]

Here is the decklist that is running in my mind lately. I have tried incorporating Team America as a shell and replacing green with with white Mana source.

Details are as below:

TA shell:
Disruption:
4 FOW
3-4 Daze/Mental Misstep
3-4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Stifle - Also Dnought/Hunted Horror Enabler
4 Swords to Plowshare - Replace other Creature removal
1-2 Engineered explosives - mass removal

Cantrip:
4 Brainstorm
2-3 Ponder
2-3 Enlightened tutor - Combo enabler
4 Dark Confidant - creature plus draw engine

Creatures
4 Phyrexian Dnought
2-3 Hunted Horror - Tombstalker replacement

Here is my initial list but i still need to brew this further. I have removed green since this is only used for tarmogoyf/sylvan which can be replaced by 4 Dark Confidant. Initial decklist will be below:

Creatures:
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
2 Hunted Horror
4 Dark Confidant
10 Creatures

Instant/Sorceries:
4 Force of Will
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Mental Misstep
4 Brain Storm
2 Ponder
4 Swords to Plowshare
4 Stifle
2 Enlightened Tutor
27 Instant/Sorceries

Artifact
3 Torpor Orb
1 Engineered Explosives

Land Base
7 Fetchalnds
4 Wasteland
4 Underground Sea
2 Scrublands
2 Tundra

Still don't have sideboard yet but This will definitely still for testing. Any comments. I'll also add this in the developmental deck for us to further brainstorm.

Thanks!

Owenzzz

[Mark Sun]

Obviously not coming to any conclusions immediately, but I was just messing around on MWS, and wound up getting blown out by a Torpor Orb deck. It opens up Stifles to care about everything else, which is an element that I hadn't considered. Maybe something worth looking into.

[tsabo_tavoc]

Nova Chaser

could probably fit in a build with Sol-lands, Moons and Goblin Welder?

[TnA_Will]

I've built a counter/top nought list running orb that I think is a possibility. I will post back as I start testing this deck and seeing what the matchups look like.

The list is as follows
Lands:
5 fetch lands
4 Underground Sea
4 Wasteland
2 Tundra
2 Scrubland
1 Academy Ruins

Creatures:
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Dark Confidant
2 Hunted Horror

Instants/Sorceries
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
4 Brainstorm
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Mental Misstep

Artifacts
3 Torpor Orb
3 Sensei's Divining Top

Enchantments:
4 CounterBalance

The reason why I wanted to go with Counterbalance was with this deck wanting to drop a big threat and win off it in 2 or 3 turns I was wanting to max protect the threat. With as many 1 drops as this deck runs counterbalance really helps prevent spot removal more than just the fow/misstep package.

I'm still working on the sideboard for this deck, I'm pretty sure 2 Engineered Explosives are going to make it in as well as perish but alot is up in the air based on what New Phyrexia does to Legacy as a whole.... Thoughts and opinions are welcomed!

[kiblast]

I guess it shoves Aluren even further back in time as a deck to not be playing.

Actually Orb is just another piece of lock for the Aluren player. Just like Canonist or Gaddock. Chain of Vapor is your friend :3
The real problem is K grip.

[dahcmai]

Hunted Horror seems so weird. No love for Lord of Tresserhorn? I used to love that guy in Masknaught.


Anyway, how's the testing going? I'm not working on this (have other ideas), but I did wonder how it was going.
It still kind of looks like you're just trying to make Stiflenaught decks jam in a 7/7 for BB. It seems Nxyilid is about the same thing if you just used heavy discard instead of Torpor Orb, but I could be wrong.

[Atwa]

Ive build a UB list tonight which I'm going to play in a little test tournament tomorrow. The creature package I'm playing is 4 Dreadnought, 4x Hunted Horror and 3 Eater of Days, with 4x Orb and 4x Stifle. No idea what it will do, but Ive always been one for wacky (and unstable as hell) combo's, so we'll see.

EDIT: Might as well post the list I'm going to run for argument's sake. This is a first draft, so total bashing is allowed, but won't cause any ego damage yet :)

4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
4 Island
4 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland
2 Swamp

4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Hunted Horror
3 Eater of Days

4 Torpor Orb
4 Stifle
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Standstill
3 Mental Misstep
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Go for the Throat

Side:
3 Perish
3 Null Rod
2 Duress
2 Extirpate
2 Gilded Drake
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Wash Out

[KindGrind]

Hunted Horror seems so weird. No love for Lord of Tresserhorn? I used to love that guy in Masknaught.


Anyway, how's the testing going? I'm not working on this (have other ideas), but I did wonder how it was going.
It still kind of looks like you're just trying to make Stiflenaught decks jam in a 7/7 for BB. It seems Nxyilid is about the same thing if you just used heavy discard instead of Torpor Orb, but I could be wrong.

Trample is pretty good in the present meta, mind you, whereas regenerate...

Torpor Orb does hit random things your opponent may attempt on you, too, so they're not exactly "wasted slot".