Whenever a new set is released a handful of writers do a set review, and we’re throwing our hat into the ring now too. We’re not going to review every card in the set here, because that would be a waste of everyone’s time. What we will do is touch on the things that we think are remotely playable in the Eternal formats, and try to figure out a home for these cards in either new or existing decks. This will be a new feature here at Eternal Central, so buckle up your seat belts and join us for the ride as we review New Phyrexia in Legacy, Vintage, and Type 4 (bonus)!
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I got distracted reading the Type 4 reviews- do people play that with multiple decks now? It used to be one big stack as far as I can recall- but Beast Within is pretty bad. What it comes down to is that any deck with big enough creatures that a 3/3 is irrelevant in combat runs too few creatures to reliably resolve and keep one of those fatties.
It has some vague possibility of seeing sideboard play in Elves, but that's about it, and I don't think Elves really wants the effect that much. The only permanent that gives Elves fits against which Beast Within isn't way worse than Krosan Grip would be Lavamancer.
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I was a bit harsh, but it has potential, and that shouldn't be dismissed. And in Elves of the non-wish variety, it gives you an out to Peacekeeper as well as Humility - giving you outs to creature-based hate pieces as well as non-creature based hate pieces.
Not too bad of a review in terms of Legacy, but it is painfully obvious that you are not a Vintage player. Two of the most exciting cards for Vintage (Phyrexian Metamorph and Praetor's Grasp) are not even mentioned.
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I'm not a Vintage player? That's funny, but I think you should do a little research. ;)
What makes you think Praetor's Grasp will be remotely playable in Vintage, when cards with similar functions are not? The card is terrible against Oath, Workshops, and Dredge, and mediocre against Gush Tendrils and Key-Vault decks. There's a reason no one plays Thada Adel as well. Because it's garbage. Regarding Phyrexian Metamorph, are you suspecting Workshops will play it when it's costing them 4-5 mana through their Spheres to do so? A few people play Sculpting Steel, but honestly that card sucks hard in Stax and Shop Aggro, and this is slightly better but still pretty marginal. I could have mentioned it (and probably should have), but I just don't think it is any good.
What is it going to see maindeck play in? What deck actually wants this card that makes it playable? Everyone wants to toss around cards like they're playable without giving a rhyme or reason as to what specific reason you would play the card. If you're going to try to cite Humility then please be serious and realize that Krosan Grip is about a million times better at dealing with Humility, since it's basically uncounterable.
Matt and Brian, what are you trying to Beast From Within that you actually want to spend 3 mana to kill, or are worried about? Whenever I play Oath my only real concern is finding and resolving Oath. If you're playing it against a Workshop deck more likely than not you're paying anywhere from 4-6 mana to cast it. It's bad against Dredge, and average against everything else. About 95% of the time I would much rather just have Gifts Ungiven in Oath, or another copy of Jace, the Mind Sculptor. If you just want to trigger Oath faster play Crop Rotation. It's much faster and better against Wasteland decks.
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You need to connect AND she's limited to artifacts and until EoT.
While this is a Grim Tutor for their broken shit. Yawgwin, Timewalk, Recall, you name it.
Absolutely disagree on both counts.
First of all, Praetor's Grip is great against, Gush, Oath, Tentril, and Tezz, you grab Recall, you grab Will, you grab Tinker, whatever you grab, they LOSE. For 1BB, you remove a bomb while gaining a bomb. It's mediocre against Shop, but you can grab accel and give yourself a better board position. Sure, it's terrible against Dredge, but seriously, who the hell judges playability of a maindeck card for its utility against Dredge?
In terms of Phyrexian Metamorph, it's streets ahead of sculpting steel, which, doesn't suck like you claim. Let's first look at cost, Phyrexian Metamorph dodges Spheres way better than most other things in Stax, including sculpting steel. It dodges Thorn, which Steel does not. It also dodges Lodestone. Thus, it pretty much only gets hit by Sphere itself. Additionally, it has way more utility than Steel. The fact that it copies creatures means that Workshop now has a very good out against Oath, they've got Steelwind out? You got a Steelwind. They've got Iona out? Iona is now dead.
Saying that these two cards unplayable either means you know nothing about Vintage (like the other guy said), or that your knowledge of vintage is restricted to the deck you play.
Thanks for ignoring part of my comment. It will see play in Elf sideboards because it deals with two fairly common lock pieces: Humility and Peacekeeper. The beauty of it is that hey, it does both in one card. On top of that, Elves can ignore the 3/3 because they've made an army worthy of Belcher or have Cthulhu hunting you down. Or Progenitus. Really, point is, it's really good in G/x decks as a utility piece. It's not creature removal in terms of combat, that much is understood. But it kills tech creatures that end games without ever entering the red zone.
As a Type 4 connoisseur, I think you've overlooked some NPH cards.
Urabask, the Hidden, Chancellor of the Dross, Soul Conduit, and Batterskull should at least be recognized. Phyrexian Metamorph is strictly superior to Clone and is definitely playable because of the artifact copy. Even Phyrexian Obliterator deserves mention. While it's clearly not fantastic, it's an insane blocker in a format with limited permanents anyway.
Thought I'd give those cards some respect.
So much win for the Type 4 love! Thanks
Alpha, thanks for your response. I have the cards to play everything and will play anything that I think it good in a tournament field on that given day, so my lens isn't colored.
Just like Beast Within, Praetor's Grip is no doubt cool, but I just don't think it's playable enough that it would justify inclusion over other (better) cards. What deck are you going to play it in? What are you going to cut from Oath, Gush, BUG Fish, or TPS style decks to fit a conditional card like Praetor's Grip in? Are you going to cut your own bombs? No. Are you going to cut Demonic, Vamp, Mystical, Merchant Scroll? No. Are you going to cut Force or other disruption (Duress or Thoughtseize)? No. So what exactly are you cutting from already very tight lists to fit this in?
Sculpting Steel does suck given the other options, but on Phyrexian Metamorph I can dig your point on the out to Oath in addition to the normal mediocre utility of Sculpting Steel. What are you (and BC?) cutting, or what is the list you're planning on playing that would run Metamorph? You're on the road to convincing me and a change in the article. ;)
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My current list:
9 Artifact Mana
4 Shops
4 Waste
1 Strip
1 Academy
4 B-Ring
3 Mountain
4 Bazaar
4 Welder
4 Lodestone
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
3 Smokestack
3 Sphere of Resistance
4 Tangle Wire
3 Crucible
4 Chalice
1 Trinisphere
Phyrexian Metamorph is awesome. I most often use it to copy Tangle Wire, Lodestone, or Sphere, but it can also copy Tinker robots, Oath creatures, Fish Monsters, etc. Very good card.
None of your preview links work for the new cards, making this a pretty useless article for those of us who haven't memorized the set spoiler.
BC, thanks for replying. I've tested this a bit and found that I think it's pretty good because it kind of replaces the functionality of Duplicant and Sculpting Steel at the same time. Updated the article with changes to that, and also gave a little more in depth analysis of Beast Within (which is still think is mediocre, but mentioned more uses for it and other people can make up their minds). Thanks all!
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