I have to say that there's doesn't seem to be a particularly strong reason to hand out byes at all. It's not really clear that they accomplish anything good, and they accomplish much that isn't.
The villain here seems to be the bye system, not players splitting prizes or choosing to concede to a friend for whatever reason, which seem perfectly blameless in and of themselves.
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I wasn't trying to knock on Gerry, I just ment this seems like such a non-issue.Originally Posted by SpikeyMikey
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I don't think scooping in the finals was that heinous of an act, it's not like it was a GP or PT; if it were a GP or PT finals, however, it would be a completely different story, but I liken this situation to t4 splitting at a large local tourney. 'Twas a long day of Magic, and everyone who participated (apparently) left satisfied, so who are we to judge?
I hope I get to whoop you Gerry the next time you come to Monster Den, you beat me pretty well the first time.
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It's the same reason GPs award byes- to get high level players to come to the tournaments. SCG feels like it is worthwhile to have well known and high quality players attend their tournaments, so they offer bonuses for those that do. People are more likely to watch/follow Gerry T than, dare I say, some random bad.
Oh, I agree with you. He has no responsibility to defend his actions; he didn't do anything wrong.
I'm going to go ahead and say that the people who care about which pros are playing is pretty much limited to other pros and associated barns. I think many more people care about which decks are performing, and are thus likely to be offput by rigged performances than by anything else.
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Just curious now...about how much do most magic pro's make in a year? Also, is magic most pro's primary source of income?
people don't play magic for money, if they want money to switch over to poker
Apparently GerryT does...assuming of course this is actually him. There's tournament prizes, wizards money for being a high level player, store sponsorship money, and I assume other perquisites such as free cards and travel somehow...but I'm curious as to what that adds up to. Keep in mind that you have to reduce this figure by about 40% when comparing it to a 9-5 job to account for benefits.
Not necessarily, assuming Magic is a hobby.
I'm sure there are plenty of pro's with jobs but at the very least "GerryT" said he doesn't have one. I was just trying to figure out about how much pro's make from magic. Taking out the 40% (and of course benefits packages are varied) would give a more realistic idea of how viable having magic as your primary source of income is (assuming you are a pro quality player).
Edit: So from wizards a level 8 player will make 10K for going to the 4 PT's since airfare/hotel are also paid for...but the $500 for GP's only really pays for accommodations to fairly local GP's (there's 7 in the US all over). At a SCG tournament (which I assume has pretty good payout?) you need to t8 to do better than minimum wage (5-8th is 250 for standard-30 entry/transportation). I assume pro's get their cards for free from their sponsors or borrow them. I have no idea what store sponsorship entails but as far as I can tell it would have to be a ton of money to really allow for their to be magic professionals.
The bye system is bad and it's the only reason these players gerry T refers to as quality players, and also himself, is consistently in the top8 of tournaments this size.
I understand why he would protect this system. As he says, he is working to extract as much value as he can of it, but let's all remember that without this system (3 bye every tournament) there is no way that he would be doing what he's doing with the aim of making money.
You can say that it's good because it creates a pro-cult that helps the game a lot. I, however think it's bad because it creates a difficulty to combine "wanting to prepare for and win a big tournament" with "Having a job".
Not fun.
Obviously GerryT is one of the best but he should recognize that he and other pros are given top8s by the system created by wizards, and not by playing the "true" game many times.
Given all matches between players are 50/50 and you simulate a fictional tournament w 500 palyers of which 50 have 3 byes a player with byes is far more likely to win just due to probability + tiebreaker system.
And on the tweet calling people bads after winning a tournament..... I don't know the context of this but seems like he needs to refect over the system and get off his high horses.
Based on looking at the payouts i doubt many of them make over 50k a year. I know from looking at the magic hall of fame that the most made at wizards sponsored events by anyone lifetime is 400k.
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