You are welcome :)
I have not the same sideboard plan for Grixis Delver than 4c control. I mean, for example, I side out Counterspell for Grixis Delver as they are too expensive and you cannot really keep your mana open. Are you sure you do not want your blue blast/fluster? Fluster is great for stifle for example, as some players are now playing them again. I understand your plan with B2B but it may be different from Grixis Delver to 4c control. For Grixis, they can daze and play again one of their land, they still have deathrite and pyroblast and can kill you with very few lands.
For 4c control, their pyroblast may be a real problem, as they will board in 3 of them. You will have a hard time to play B2B at the right time, as you have to kill their deathrite, hold some counters and watch their pyroblast. But you have the experience of B2B, I have not, just my input.
I think that you are right about Force of Will, I personally keep 3 of them post board. But I never board out SFM. It may be too long to go for a deep analysis about boarding out SFM or not, so let's forget about it right now.
Nothing to add on your plan.
They have krosan grip for B2B and generally many lands in hand (loam) and mox diamond. That's why I really appreciate explosives, to remove mox and exploration. I think that cutting the speed of their deck will win you the match. But I also play wasteland, it is another reason to go in that way to play the matchup.
Jitte is not that bad, if you can gain life and go over 20, you can take 1 hit from their 20/20 and is a huge tempo gain.
Agree
I do not board in the priest as I have 3 explosives. I think that B2B is too expensive for karakas and port. I rather play wasteland. Post board you have to be careful about jitte. Its the best card for us, for sure, they will also do all they can to disrupt it. Revoker, needle, council, disenchant, manriki. I also keep my force for their spells and board out the not free counterspells
Agree, but you should board in the priest also.
Disagree on priest, too weak. Otherwise agree, even if some force may be not that bad for Jace. You play 2 pierce so it may be different for you.
Agree
You cannot rely on only 1 Disenchant for their 4 chalice, especially if you board out your force of will. They also have mox diamond and rely on it to speed up their slow deck. I board in explosives as they both handle chalice and mox. I also keep force over fluster/pierce/1 counterspell for their business spells (green sun, PW as they may board in Garruk)
I never played against grixis control despite the many tournaments I played in. Not sure if this deck is currently played with 4c control being better IMO.
Agree
Agree. Surgical seems good here, for terminus, prevent snapcaster flashback, or maybe exiling a countered mentor. How good you value surgical in this matchup ?
Agree. Disenchant can also destroy Eidolon.
It would also be nice if you can relate your tournament you will attend mid-september. Even a small report would be much appreciated.
+Sagagx+
Last edited by sagagx; 08-31-2017 at 03:42 PM.
Thanks for another very in depth answer! It's very appreciated.
My thoughts on Supreme Verdict main is that it isn't nessesary. I rather have the second Council's Judgment :) But I'm still new at Legacy and i might change my mind as time goes by.
Updated sideboardplan for my list: UW Control
4 Control:
+2 Back to Basics
+1 Sword of Feast and Famine
+1 Hydroblast
+1 Blue Elemental Blast
-1 Stoneforge Mystic
-4 Force of Will
Keycards: True-Name Nemesis, Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Back to Basics
Role: Tempo / Control
Thoughts: This matchup is about slamming a TNN and protect it for the win. In my testing so far, SFM has been inferior and I'm considering to cut that instead of FoW - the idea is, that FoW can protect TNN. Althought 2for1 yourself is very very bad in a matchup where managing your resources is key. I'm still wondering if Hydroblast / Blue Elemental Blast is worth it. The times I've played this matchup, Back to Basics has been key. If you manage to slam it at the right time (when he is tapped out) you will almost always win the match.
Grixis Delver
+1 Hydroblast
+1 Blue Elemental Blast
+1 Sword of Feast and Famine
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Back to Basics
-2 Counterspell
-4 Force of Will
-1 Stoneforge Mystic
Keycards: True-Name Nemesis, Jace the Mind Sculptor, Back to Basics and Sword of Feast and Famine
Role: Tempo / Control
Thoughts: As with 4C Control, this matchup is about managing your resources and make a TNN stick to take over the game. I still believe B2B is insane against a deck which runs 0 basics. It really punish greedy manabases if you manage to handle DRS.
ANT
+2 Surgical Extractions
+2 Ethersworn Canonist
+2 Hydroblast
+2 Flusterstorm
-4 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Council’s Judgment
-1 Jitte
-1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Keycards: Ethersworn Canonist, Flusterstorm
Role: Beatdown / Control
Thoughts: We need to win, and we need to do it as fast as possible. With that said, the number one priority is to make sure that the ANT-player doesn't win. This could be an argument for taking the controlling rute to victory.
Lands
+2 Back to Basics
+2 Surgical Extraction
+1 Pithing Needle
+1 Disenchant
-2 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Council’s Judgment
-1 Jitte
-1 Spell Snare
Keycards: Surgical Extraction, Back to Basics, Basic lands, TNN, Karakas, Swords to Plowshares
Role: Beatdown
Thoughts: If Surgical isnt in the opening, the game needs to be closed fast. Merit Large can't be beaten in a race, but we got plenty of answers. But I've only played this matchup once with UW, so I'm very uncertaint about it.
Sneak and Show
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Containment Priest
+2 Ethersworn Canonist
+2 Hydroblast
+1 Pithing Needle
+2 Surgical Extraction
-4 Swords to Plowshares
-2 Council’s Judgment
-1 Spell Snare
-1 Jitte
-3 True-Name Nemesis
Keycards:
Role:
Thoughts: Honestly, i have no Idea as i havent played against the deck, like ever. This is pure theorycrafting and i believe its about stopping their S&T and ride your BS to victory.
Death & Taxes
+1 Disenchant
+1 Pithing Needle
+2 Containment Priest
-2 Counterspell
-2 Spell Pierce
Keycards: anything that stops Vial and kill creatures
Role: Control
Thoughts: I've tried this matchup once and to me it seems like a good matchup to us. TNN + Jitte is hillarious. But be aware that Jitte is one of your best cards, so protect it at all cost! D&T will try kill it with various things like Needle, Revoker, Disenchant etc.
Reanimator
+2 Surgical Extraction
+2 Flusterstorm
+2 Containment Priest
-3 True-Name Nemesis
-1 Jitte
-2 Council’s Judgment
Keycards: Surgical Extraction, Force of Will
Role: Control
Thoughts: Number one priority is to stop their reanimation. If succeed i believe the odds of winning is fairly high, escpecially if facing the BR version. I havent played against the version running blue yet, så not sure about that matchup.
UWx Stoneblade
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Sword of Feast and Famine
+1 Disenchant
-4 Force of Will
Keycards: Vendilion Clique, True-Name Nemesis
Role: Control / Tempo
Thoughts: I haven't actually played the mirror, but i believe its about the same as any other control mirror. Place a threat, protect it - instant threats are the best as that force the opponent to do something on their own turn. Maybe Containment Priest is worth it, just for the 2/2 instant speed threat?
Eldrazi Stompy
+1 Disenchant
+2 Back to Basics
-1 Spell Snare
-2 Spell Pierce
Keycards: Force of Will (stop Chalice), Back to Basics (lock them out of the game)
Role: Control
Thoughts: To me this matchup feels like #1 to stop chalice, #2 to time your B2B and after that, win the game with whatever threat you got in your hand.
Aggro Loam
+2 Surgical Extraction
+1 Disenchant
+1 Pithing Needle
-2 Pierce
-1 Counterspell
-1 Spell Snare
Keycards:
Role:
Thoughts: Again theorycraft. Never played the matchup but i figure its about stopping their engines and then ride a TNN/Batterskull to victory.
Grixis Control
+2 Hydroblast
+1 Sword of Feast and Famine
-3 Ponder
Keycards: True-Name Nemesis
Role: Control
Thoughts: Feels like this matchup is about answering your opponents threats till the coast is clear for your True-Name Nemesis to take over the game. Sword has been surprisingly good for me so far (if it sticks) and Hydroblast beats keycards such as Young Pyromancer and Kolaghan's Command.
Sultai Delver
+1 Pithing Needle
+2 Back to Basics
+1 Sword of Feast and Famine
-4 Force of Will
Keycards: True-Name Nemesis, Back to Basics
Role: Control / Tempo
Thoughts: Attrition fight, and SFM seems superior in this matchup. If they get locked out by B2B its pretty much win - watch out for Decay thought.
Miracles
+2 Surgical Extractions
+2 Flusterstorm
-4 Force of Will
Keycards: Swords to Plowshares, Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Role: Tempo / beatdown
Thoughts: I've tried this matchup once, and my #1 plan was to stop the mentors and it worked out. I won both matches on the back of JTMS so this makes me believe that it is the best/safest wincon. But I'm far from sure of that. About Surgical i don't think it is that good afterall, but sometimes taking away their Mentor or Terminus means our chances of winning is raised by a lot. Its a bet which happens to work out sometimes, but I'm not sure if it is the right call.
Burn
+2 Hydroblast
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Disenchant
-2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
-1 Vendilion Clique
-1 Windswept Heath
-1 Ponder
Keycards: Stoneforge Mystic, Hydroblast, Basic Lands
Role: Control
Thoughts: We got alot of Burn in my current meta, which is why this matchup is here. The matchup is all about getting Batterskull online (with protection) and ride it to victory. The reason for Disenchant is to stop their Vortex (and Eidolon). Honestly it feels like a good matchup for UW Blade Control, and I havent lost a match to Burn yet.
I'd like to stress that if anyone has some takes on other matchups or those I've lined up here, please make a reply! Any information is very helpfull and appreciated :)
I will make a complete report from MKM Hamburg when i get home, no worries :) I'm looking forward to discuss the SFM inclusion or exclusion later on ;)
For now this is what i play, and how i (rule of thumb) sideboard. After Hamburg I'm open for suggestions about my entire 75 and would love to engage in debate about some "perfect" 75 for Blade Control.
Best regards
//aRSKOG
Hello folks, I just finished putting up the new UWx Stoneblade primer here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...UWx-Stoneblade
Thanks a bunch to everyone who helped out, and I'm considering this to still be a work in progress - looking for any suggestions you may have about how to improve it.
Cheers!
Nobody plays Legacy anymore, the tournaments are all too crowded
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