The Solution 2011

[GGoober]

Hanni, if Thruns were cheaper and the deck costed ~$20, the name would be perfect:

The $20.11 Solution (reference to $4K solution or $400 solution i.e. Stax in Vintage/Legacy)

[Hanni]

There are a ton of good budget replacements for Thrun's. I mean, not only is this deck an answer to the entire metagame/format, it's an answer to the rising prices of cardboard too. What's not to love? Amirite? You bet your ass I am.

[JustPAT4]

In all honesty, this list is currently the stone cold nutz.

I must say though--the shushers seem just a touch redundant considering that every other spell this pile of devastation runs is already uncounterable...

Other than that I really don't think this deck can be improved upon...but i'll try anyway:

Spellbreaker Behemoth is a monster on the field and once he hits--BOOM--the door is wide open to cast that Summit Apes you've been sandbagging all game. And that's not all, call in the next 10 minutes, and the ruler of the reptile kingdom Imperiosaur is completely uncounterable as well (which totally has savage synergy with your impervious mana base anyway).

Am I done yet? I don't fucking think so: once you've got behemoth drinking the blood of blue mages the multi-verse over, you cast Argothian Wurm and suddenly your opponent is sacrificing lands left and right and not even the Force of his puny Will can save him from everlasting torment. Muahahahaha!

Edit: Oh yeah, and just to stick it hard to mermaids, be sure to run 4x Volcanic Fallout and 4x Combust in the board.

Cheers,

Pat

[Ziveeman]

I placed 4th out of 50 players at a recent Legacy event with this list:

Lands
15 Forest
9 Mountain

Creatures
4 Vexing Shusher
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Great Sable Stag
4 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Scragnoth
4 Kavu Chameleon

Spells
4 Urza's Rage
4 Banefire

The only change I made was -1 Forest +1 Mountain because I couldn't afford the last Forest, but I did have an extra Mountain lying around. Lucky me.

[DrJones]

That decklist is illegal because there are 5 copies of the last troll, counting you.

[TheDarkshineKnight]

Why would I play this pile over Thunder Bluff? Anaba Grunt crushes Progenitus and Emrakul so I don't even give a shit about Natural Order and Show and Tell.

[Ben]

The biggest problem I see with this deck is that although you can shurg off the counters/jace, non of the creature in the deck can get pass through a 4/5 goylf (which is not hard for it to get that big) or KotR.

I would change the red to black for more effective removal spell.

Land (23)

4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacomb
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Llanowar Wastes
6 Forest
3 Swamp


Creature (26)

3 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Scragnoth
3 Quagnoth
3 Vexing Shusher
3 Blurred Mongoose
3 Great Sable Stag
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide


Spells 11

3 Sudden Death
4 Thoughtseize
4 Deathmark


I am keeping Simian Spirit Guide for mana accelration

Sudden Death can kill Batterskull and many other utility creatures. It also can't be countered.

Since we have access to Vexing Shusher might as well make some use of it:
>Deathmark is good against most of the creatures seeing in legacy (Stoneforge, Goylf, and etc.)
>Thoughtseize can be used to get rid off some random threats such as plainswalker or stps, and even creatures

Can side in Phyrexian Metamorph for SnT or NO matchs.

[TheDarkshineKnight]

The biggest problem I see with this deck is that although you can shurg off the counters/jace, non of the creature in the deck can get pass through a 4/5 goylf (which is not hard for it to get that big) or KotR.

I would change the red to black for more effective removal spell.

Land (23)

4 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacomb
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Llanowar Wastes
6 Forest
3 Swamp


Creature (26)

3 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Scragnoth
3 Quagnoth
3 Vexing Shusher
3 Blurred Mongoose
3 Great Sable Stag
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide


Spells 11

3 Sudden Death
4 Thoughtseize
4 Deathmark


I am keeping Simian Spirit Guide for mana accelration

Sudden Death can kill Batterskull and many other utility creatures. It also can't be countered.

Since we have access to Vexing Shusher might as well make some use of it:
>Deathmark is good against most of the creatures seeing in legacy (Stoneforge, Goylf, and etc.)
>Thoughtseize can be used to get rid off some random threats such as plainswalker or stps, and even creatures

Can side in Phyrexian Metamorph for SnT or NO matchs.

I'm quoting this for posterity. The world must know that this man fell for the joke.

[Ben]

lol the guy came up with a list a joke or not wont hurt to have some fun with it.

[Asthereal]

I think we could dramatically improve this deck's mana curve by playing the suggested Sudden Shocks, Spellbreaker Behemoths and perhaps Sulfur Elemental.

So then I come up with:

4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Vexing Shusher
4 Great Sable Stag
4 Sulfur Elemental
4 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Spellbreaker Behemoth /28

4 Sudden Shock
4 Urza's Rage /8

16 Forest
8 Mountain /24

Sideboard (perhaps)
4 Krosan Grip
4 Volcanic Fallout
1 Shard Phoenix
2 Scragnoth (still awesome versus any blue mage)
4 Stonewood Invocation (versus large creatures)

Sweet list. :-)
Doubt I'll be able to pilot it well though, for ROFLOL'ing all tourney. :-D

[Richard Cheese]

I just don't think non-shrouded creatures can cut it anymore in Jace.Format. Here's my list:



4 Blurred Mongoose
3 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Scragnoth
4 Quagnoth
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
12 Forest
9 Mountain
4 Great Sable Stag
4 Urza's Rage
4 Sudden Shock
4 Wreak Havoc

SB: 4 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 4 Pyroblast
SB: 4 Extirpate


Waste-proof, bounce-proof, counter-proof. Wreak Havok is so good against Stoneforge decks. Right now the major weakness is just against Progenitus...thinking of splashing black for 12-16 sac effects, which should be enough to push through the counter wall.

[DrJones]

If you add black, you only need Sudden Spoiling.

[Richard Cheese]

Then you can hit it with Sudden Shock!!! HOLY HELL I LOVE THIS DECK.

Now...how to make a waste and Stifle-proof 3-color manabase?!?!

[Ben]

Sudden Spoiling requires double black so using dual land is inevitable in a 3 color deck.
Not many decks using Stifles these days anyway so it is pretty safe to add fetches into this deck. Besides deck thining is always a good thing.

[Infinitium]

Stifle (and Wasteland) is an integral part of the modern legacy metagame, and thus playing around it is the key to success. This also makes me question Thrun somewhat as well, esp. as this could be conceivably be built on the cheap and still attack the MM.meta as was intended by the game designers.

[GGoober]

I think we could dramatically improve this deck's mana curve by playing the suggested Sudden Shocks, Spellbreaker Behemoths and perhaps Sulfur Elemental.

So then I come up with:

4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Vexing Shusher
4 Great Sable Stag
4 Sulfur Elemental
4 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Spellbreaker Behemoth /28

4 Sudden Shock
4 Urza's Rage /8

16 Forest
8 Mountain /24

Sideboard (perhaps)
4 Krosan Grip
4 Volcanic Fallout
1 Shard Phoenix
2 Scragnoth (still awesome versus any blue mage)
4 Stonewood Invocation (versus large creatures)

Sweet list. :-)
Doubt I'll be able to pilot it well though, for ROFLOL'ing all tourney. :-D

Holy shit, Sulfur Elemental. How did I forget this guy back in the days of Dragonstompy raping Decree/Elspeth tokens!

With double Elemental, you can nuke the board clean of SFMs, which provides yet another uncounterable and flexible way to deal with the SFM meta. It's also a 3/2 for 3 mana, with split second, and a game-winning ability. Tremendously undercosted and monetarily cheap, unlike Goyf, which gets Snared/Dazed/FoW'd all day long.

[Koby]

Holy shit, Sulfur Elemental. How did I forget this guy back in the days of Dragonstompy raping Decree/Elspeth tokens!

With double Elemental, you can nuke the board clean of SFMs, which provides yet another uncounterable and flexible way to deal with the SFM meta. It's also a 3/2 for 3 mana, with split second, and a game-winning ability. Tremendously undercosted and monetarily cheap, unlike Goyf, which gets Snared/Dazed/FoW'd all day long.

Bonus points for ninja-striking Jace from unsuspecting Bloo-mages.

[Sempra]

Funny troll is funny!

while i wish a deck like this could exist and actually do well.. in reality it cant.

It might have some game vs u/w blade control or a heavy blue control deck like landstill, it still just dies to a resolved moat or humility from landstill.

and it has no answers to NO, or show and tell. it cant answer a progenitus or emrakul, and it cant race it either.

vs any other combo deck its just auto loss. hive mind, any storm variant, even splinter twin...

[laxkiddan]

I LOVE this deck.

I like Cheese's idea of going with blurred mongoose

[DrJones]

Funny troll is funny!

while i wish a deck like this could exist and actually do well.. in reality it cant.

It might have some game vs u/w blade control or a heavy blue control deck like landstill, it still just dies to a resolved moat or humility from landstill.

and it has no answers to NO, or show and tell. it cant answer a progenitus or emrakul, and it cant race it either.

vs any other combo deck its just auto loss. hive mind, any storm variant, even splinter twin...

That's the whole point of the thread. Tom LaPille actually believes this is the deck we should play if blue becomes too good, instead of, let's say, Merfolk.