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    Early Data Mining from MTGO

    The following is the Top 40 most played cards in decks that are not 12-Post that had a winning record (3-1 or better):
    [Source - MTG Stats]


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    Rank	Card			Decks	Decks W/O	Usage %	Avg Qty
    1	Mountain		73	55		57.03	4.1369
    2	Scalding Tarn		53	75		41.4	3.4339
    3	Forest			50	78		39.06	2.86
    4	Misty Rainforest	48	80		37.5	3.25
    5	Lightning Bolt		46	82		35.93	3.913
    6	Verdant Catacombs	46	82		35.93	3.4782
    7	Island			41	87		32.03	5.1707
    8	Path to Exile		40	88		31.25	3.425
    9	Plains			40	88		31.25	2.9
    10	Arid Mesa		35	93		27.34	3.7142
    11	Tarmogoyf		33	95		25.78	3.7878
    12	Swamp			32	96		25	2.5937
    13	Marsh Flats		32	96		25	2.25
    14	Temple Garden		31	97		24.21	1.4838
    15	Stomping Ground		29	99		22.65	1.8275
    16	Sacred Foundry		28	100		21.87	2.0357
    17	Overgrown Tomb		26	102		20.31	1.8846
    18	Steam Vents		25	103		19.53	1.88
    19	Lightning Helix		23	105		17.96	3.4782
    20	Preordain		21	107		16.4	3.9523
    21	Grim Lavamancer		21	107		16.4	3.1904
    22	Dark Confidant		21	107		16.4	3.0476
    23	Goblin Guide		20	108		15.62	4
    24	Ponder			19	109		14.84	4
    25	Wild Nacatl		19	109		14.84	4
    26	Kitchen Finks		18	110		14.06	3.4444
    27	Treetop Village		18	110		14.06	2.6111
    28	Qasali Pridemage	18	110		14.06	2.3333
    29	Knight of the Reliquary	17	111		13.28	3.7647
    30	Hallowed Fountain	17	111		13.28	1.7647
    31	Eternal Witness		17	111		13.28	1.647
    32	Watery Grave		17	111		13.28	1.4705
    33	Kird Ape		16	112		12.5	3.875
    34	Darksteel Citadel	16	112		12.5	3.8125
    35	Blinkmoth Nexus		15	113		11.71	3.7333
    36	Noble Hierarch		15	113		11.71	2.8
    37	Godless Shrine		15	113		11.71	1.1333
    38	Blood Crypt		15	113		11.71	1
    39	Memnite			14	114		10.93	4
    40	Signal Pest		14	114		10.93	4

    The Top 5 non-land cards from this list:
    1. Lightning Bolt
    2. Path to Exile
    3. Tarmogoyf
    4. Lightning Helix
    5. Preordain

    12-post (mono-, mono- and ) was excluded from this data in order to represent the more complex metagame.
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    Re: Early Data Mining from MTGO

    why are we eliminating X-Post? Can we see numbers with Post as well?
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    Re: Early Data Mining from MTGO

    Just click on the link provided in the first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mchainmail View Post
    why are we eliminating X-Post? Can we see numbers with Post as well?
    Because the majority of 12-post decks are only different by 25%, most of which are ramp spells. 12post is about 21% of the metagame from this reporting. This is to show the other 79% of the winning decks.

    Would it be useful to list the metagame as such?

    1. Cloudpost
    2. Glimmerpost
    3. Vesuva
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    Re: Early Data Mining from MTGO

    Wow, not one storm card outside the cantrips. Huh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammit67 View Post
    Wow, not one storm card outside the cantrips. Huh
    Most of the storm cards are red in modern, and there's no particularly good way to accumulate lethal storm with Grape Shot or Empty the Warrens.

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    Re: Early Data Mining from MTGO

    Man, if only there were other storm cards legal in Modern!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kich867 View Post
    Most of the storm cards are red in modern, and there's no particularly good way to accumulate lethal storm with Grape Shot or Empty the Warrens.
    Pyromancer's Swath works with Grapeshot, and that deck typically uses Ignite Memories as well, which can kill with or without Swath. Swath looks like the new King of Storm in Modern, at least it's looking that way. It can kill turn 3 and doesn't rely on a suspended Lotus Bloom.
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    Meh, I haven't had problems yet with aggro with dragonstorm, even without bloom (though it really does help).

    With all that aggro, is no one playing Martyr Proc?
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    I dont know if you guys already saw but apparently the last 3 Modern Daily in MTGO have been dominated by combo, with one having all combo decks in the 4-0/3-1 bracket.

    I told you guys that Modern is going to be the combo format.
    I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
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    Code:
    Rank Card Decks Decks W/O Usage % Avg Qty
    1 Mountain 73 55 57.03 4.1369
    2 Scalding Tarn 53 75 41.4 3.4339
    3 Forest 50 78 39.06 2.86
    4 Misty Rainforest 48 80 37.5 3.25
    5 Lightning Bolt 46 82 35.93 3.913
    6 Verdant Catacombs 46 82 35.93 3.4782
    7 Island 41 87 32.03 5.1707
    8 Path to Exile 40 88 31.25 3.425
    9 Plains 40 88 31.25 2.9
    10 Arid Mesa 35 93 27.34 3.7142
    11 Tarmogoyf 33 95 25.78 3.7878
    12 Swamp 32 96 25 2.5937
    13 Marsh Flats 32 96 25 2.25
    14 Temple Garden 31 97 24.21 1.4838
    15 Stomping Ground 29 99 22.65 1.8275
    16 Sacred Foundry 28 100 21.87 2.0357
    17 Overgrown Tomb 26 102 20.31 1.8846
    18 Steam Vents 25 103 19.53 1.88
    19 Lightning Helix 23 105 17.96 3.4782
    20 Preordain 21 107 16.4 3.9523
    21 Grim Lavamancer 21 107 16.4 3.1904
    22 Dark Confidant 21 107 16.4 3.0476
    23 Goblin Guide 20 108 15.62 4
    24 Ponder 19 109 14.84 4
    25 Wild Nacatl 19 109 14.84 4
    26 Kitchen Finks 18 110 14.06 3.4444
    27 Treetop Village 18 110 14.06 2.6111
    28 Qasali Pridemage 18 110 14.06 2.3333
    29 Knight of the Reliquary 17 111 13.28 3.7647
    30 Hallowed Fountain 17 111 13.28 1.7647
    31 Eternal Witness 17 111 13.28 1.647
    32 Watery Grave 17 111 13.28 1.4705
    33 Kird Ape 16 112 12.5 3.875
    34 Darksteel Citadel 16 112 12.5 3.8125
    35 Blinkmoth Nexus 15 113 11.71 3.7333
    36 Noble Hierarch 15 113 11.71 2.8
    37 Godless Shrine 15 113 11.71 1.1333
    38 Blood Crypt 15 113 11.71 1
    39 Memnite 14 114 10.93 4
    40 Signal Pest 14 114 10.93 4



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    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    I dont know if you guys already saw but apparently the last 3 Modern Daily in MTGO have been dominated by combo, with one having all combo decks in the 4-0/3-1 bracket.

    I told you guys that Modern is going to be the combo format.
    And this is a problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sims View Post
    And this is a problem?
    Yes it absolutely is a problem. Hopefully an answer will be found at some point or cards unbanned, but right now it looks like control is dead in the water. A format that is defined by Aggro and Combo is going to be boring as hell. "Oh look I got my combo before you could kill me with burn, game 2. Draw 7, can you play one of your SB answers before I win?"

    For as much as people complain about Legacy Modern is beyond the most boring format I have ever played at this point. I picked up 12 post because I think it's broken and since I don't look forward to playing the format at all anyways I might as well just play to win. Completely boring, I just ignore everything you are doing 90% of the time and try to shit out a Titan, then if you play a moon effect I just hope I have a Beast Within. That is the matchup you are going to be playing against 3-5 times in a 9 round event. Have fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    I dont know if you guys already saw but apparently the last 3 Modern Daily in MTGO have been dominated by combo....
    Is there a convenient link for that info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    I dont know if you guys already saw but apparently the last 3 Modern Daily in MTGO have been dominated by combo, with one having all combo decks in the 4-0/3-1 bracket.

    I told you guys that Modern is going to be the combo format.
    Yeah, I don't know how people thought aggro was the greatest thing in this format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
    Yes it absolutely is a problem. Hopefully an answer will be found at some point or cards unbanned, but right now it looks like control is dead in the water. A format that is defined by Aggro and Combo is going to be boring as hell. "Oh look I got my combo before you could kill me with burn, game 2. Draw 7, can you play one of your SB answers before I win?"

    For as much as people complain about Legacy Modern is beyond the most boring format I have ever played at this point. I picked up 12 post because I think it's broken and since I don't look forward to playing the format at all anyways I might as well just play to win. Completely boring, I just ignore everything you are doing 90% of the time and try to shit out a Titan, then if you play a moon effect I just hope I have a Beast Within. That is the matchup you are going to be playing against 3-5 times in a 9 round event. Have fun.
    I'm enjoying the hell out of the format, actually, way more so than I have been enjoying Legacy.

    They won't leave it this way, though. They will either ban or unban things to try and find a balance, but they will at least have a PT behind them as evidence of what needs to be done. Odds are it will be ban things. And if they do they'll leave it as a shell of what it could be by turning it into an aggro format like they've been trying to do with every format ever because they think that everyone loves playing decks where creatures turn sideways. And that will make me greatly sad. Face it, WotC, Combo is a legitimate pillar of a format. Aggro vs. Aggro Control vs. Control vs. More Aggro is not fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Is there a convenient link for that info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
    Yes it absolutely is a problem. Hopefully an answer will be found at some point or cards unbanned, but right now it looks like control is dead in the water. A format that is defined by Aggro and Combo is going to be boring as hell. "Oh look I got my combo before you could kill me with burn, game 2. Draw 7, can you play one of your SB answers before I win?"

    For as much as people complain about Legacy Modern is beyond the most boring format I have ever played at this point. I picked up 12 post because I think it's broken and since I don't look forward to playing the format at all anyways I might as well just play to win. Completely boring, I just ignore everything you are doing 90% of the time and try to shit out a Titan, then if you play a moon effect I just hope I have a Beast Within. That is the matchup you are going to be playing against 3-5 times in a 9 round event. Have fun.
    I listened to several posters on here (including yourself) and I built my BUG deck SPECIFICALLY to combat the combo decks. I have yet to lose a match vs. combo (given, I've only faced Second Sunrise and Dragonstorm, but I handled both pretty easily.)

    Dragonstorm = Makeshift Mannequin, bringing back Iona, naming 'red'. GG.

    Second Sunrise = In response to Second Sunrise, Mana Leak/Spell Pierce. OR turn 1 Engineered Explosves @1.

    Enduring Ideal = Play Enduring Ideal, fetching Meishin or FotD. Maelstrom Pulse Ideal...or Makeshift Mannequin, bringing back Angel of Despair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Enduring Ideal = Play Enduring Ideal, fetching Meishin or FotD. Maelstrom Pulse Ideal...or Makeshift Mannequin, bringing back Angel of Despair.
    I do have to question... How you are beating Enduring Ideal by casting Pulse on a sorcery in the graveyard? As for the rest of it, it's typically: Resolve Ideal -> Dovescape -> Meishin -> Form if there are no other silver bullet enchants to nab.

    Letting them actually resolve the Ideal when you're playing counterspells seems like a poor plan
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    Thanks. That does look like 12post vs Combo.

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