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    You do not run Confidant as an out to GY hate. You put it in vs decks that run little to no removal, because it is the only card in the deck that is actually vulnerable (OK, plow is good, this is why you run feeder/seer) to removal.

    Also, the deck being a dog to GY hate is just wrong.

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Have people been working on optimizing the SB? I understand that Black said he wants to keep the whole deck as invulnerable to standard hate as possible, but SB should probably contain appropriate answers to the worst MUs, plain and simple.

    SB:
    3 Surgical Extraction
    3 Dark Confidant
    3 Innocent Blood
    2 Perish
    1 Virtue's Ruin
    3 Hymn to Tourach

    Surgical is GY and Combo hate. Confidant is combo and maybe control hate. Innocent Blood is especially for Sneak and Show, but can also hit creature slim decks (RUG). Perish hits Maverick, but also RUG if necessary. Virtue's Ruin hits Maverick. Hymn is for combo and control.
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    Why is surgical over extirpate?

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

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    Hymn is for combo and control.
    There is 11 Discardspells maindeck allready, so you really don't need more.

    Innocent blood is something I have been considering also, but I pretty much like the SB as it is.

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Hah, I'm an idiot. Yea, don't need discard in the SB.

    And yes, it should be Extirpate, my bad.

    So something like:
    3 Dark Confidant
    3 Innocent Blood
    2 Perish
    1 Virtue's Ruin
    3 Extirpate
    2 Disenchant
    1 Vindicate

    If the current SB suffices, could you explain how it works out so well?
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    Extirpate is miles better when it's more common you want to extract from Reanimator than Dredge.

    In what way is Bob control OR combo-hate? Against combo you want discardspells (hint, we have it) and a fast clock (hey, we have that too!), not CA in the long run. Control decks run shitloads of removal so I don't see how Bob does not just die there? Maybe if they're the deck packing 4 Innocent Bloods instead of Ghastly Demise.

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    Same version of GP Atlanta -1 tragic slip +1 tidehollow

    What do you guys think about this side?

    3 disenchant
    1 surgical
    2 extirpate
    2 perish
    1 virtue's ruin
    2 confidant
    2 pithing needle
    2 path to exile

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    SB I have been testing
    1x Vindicate
    2x Disenchant
    2x Perish
    2x Pithing Needle
    2x Dark Confidant
    2x Urborg Justice
    1x Go for the Throat
    3x Surgical/extripate combination (currently 2x extripate/1x surgical)

    Needle continues to be the flex spot but getting solid results with Urborg justice. Very surprised on how much it can blow out Maverick, junk, and elves and even reanimator.

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Why would you run Surgical OR Extirpate over Faerie Macabre, which is free, uncounterable, and in a pinch can be hardcast to beat face, pump a Carrion Feeder, or ping via Bombardment?

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Farie might be a good idea....Maybe a combo of that and extripate...hmmmm

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Combo nothing. Extirpate is complete and utter trash against Reanimator. Extirpate is complete and utter trash period.

    If you're relying on Extirpate to stop a reanimation spell, you're going to have to keep a black source open from the very beginning of the game until you kill them. This means you're losing one mana per turn you could be using to kill your opponent.

    Go do this. Go start goldfishing hands where you always start with an Extirpate and your first turn is Black source, go, and see how long it takes you to kill your opponent with this deck. My bet is that your average goldfish is around turn 7-8 - Plenty of time for Reanimator to assemble multiple combos or find a Show and Tell. Now, maybe your discard and clocks get you there and maybe they don't.

    But now go goldfish the exact same things, but making the Extirpate a Macabre, so you can do it while tapping out to disrupt/kill your opponent. I'm willing to bet that your clock increases by an average of 2 turns.

    Do you know why Force of Will and Daze dominate this format? Because they work when your lands are all tapped.

    Macabre is this to Graveyard hate, only it's nonconditional and it's uncounterable outside of Stifle (Or Needle can shut it off). If it's in your hand, you get to stop one graveyard-related shenanigan, for zero mana, for free, period.

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    I've never considered Faerie Macabre. It does have quite a few advantages over Extraction. Hm.
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    Bit extraction/extirpate are also there againste uw miracles, sneack attak..

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Did testing against the yard decks.
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    Still no main deck changes...Running the GP Atlanta 60 (why change what is so solid)

    SB
    1x Vindicate
    2x Disenchant
    2x Faerie Macabre
    2x Surgical Extraction
    2x Perish
    2x Urborg Justice
    2x Dark Confidant
    1x Go for the Throat
    1x Flex spot...(probably Virtue's Ruin if I can get one)

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Urborg Punishment looks insanely good. Worth going up to 3, just to auto beat creature decks?
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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    For SB discussion, I've liked running at least 3, if not 4, Dark Confidants. Black said that it was the card he boarded in the most during the GP, but it's much better for game 2 than game 1 since your opponent is likely to take out a significant amount (if not all) of their removal suite.

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Something worth remembering: If you sacrifice Tidehollow Sculler to Carrion Feeder or Golbin Bombardment when he comes into play with his first triggered ability on the stack, his second ability resolves before the first. What this means is that you permanently exile a card from the opponent's hand.

    This probably isn't too useful but might come up after a Cabal Therapy or Thoughtseize where you know your opponent has removal but you really want to exile another card with Sculler.
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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    I've used the OP decklist but cut 4 souls, and 3 scullers for 4 Vengevine, and 3 Fecundity. Fecundity is nuts with grave digger and bloodghast. It lets your litterally burry your opponent in card advantage. With a Feeder out, it's B: Draw a card (and gravecrawler) or Whenever you play a land, draw a card. Just NUTS!

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    Respond to Technics:
    So I'm assuming that you cut scrubs for Bayou as well? Love to see that list. Also SB.
    you lose Disenchant? you just change for Naturalize and change Vindicate to something else.

    Update to SB after more testing for me:
    3x Dark Confidant
    1x Vindicate
    3x Urborg Justice
    2x Disenchant
    2x Surgical Extraction
    2x Faerie Macabre
    2x Perish

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    Re: [Deck] Zombardment

    I played a VV deck like Technics mentioned in Modern. It was awesome. Something to consider is Birds of Paradise (if it can be fit in), as it provides another way to trigger VV (bloodghast citp triggers don't trigger VV) and keep your complicated mana base afloat.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tacosnape
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacosnape
    Every time someone drops a Chalice against me I think of the Family Guy episode where the guy in jail stabs himself with the knife to see how it feels and then he says, "My God! Is this what I've been doing to people? I belong in here!"
    Referring to the art on Stasis:
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    Well, uh...the mime, you see, is....um...

    God, is that furry bondage?

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