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    RUG Tempos real name

    There's been a discuission on the RUG Tempo thread about this decks real name. Is it Canadian Threshold or RUG Delver/Tempo? I think in order to calrifiy this, it'd be a good idea to make a poll about this topic.

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    I'm Canadian and David Caplan (goobafish here on mtgsource) who was a pretty predominate player of the deck, slings cards here in my home town so I have to go to bat for Canadian Threshold.

    RUG Tempo isn't a terrible name either, Canadian Thresh just sounds cooler #solidreasoning
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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Agreed.

    Someone argued in the RUG Tempo's thread that SCG refuses to label this deck as Canadian Threshold because they say on of their (SCG) guys invited this deck - as there are Snapcasters+Delver in it. And the traditional Canadian didnt play it (oh really? I guess they weren't printed back then right?^^)

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    I really don't care what it's called, but RUG Tempo to me is more descriptive of what the deck actually does. In fact, when I first started playing the deck, I couldn't find it anywhere on other forums because Canadian Threshold has not much to do with the deck anymore. I mean Mongoose is still in there, but Werebear... no so much.

    On a side note, thanks for moving this out of the main deck discussion thread. It didn't really need to be in there, and here it can be discussed as a topic of it's own.

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Significant changes to the list:
    -adding 3-4 additional creatures
    -often dropping Stifle in favor of Spell Pierce, or at least playing some number of Pierce in the main
    -generally cutting the 'flex'/utility slots like V. Clique, Rushing River, Wipe Away, etc.
    -generally cutting Fire//Ice entirely in favor of Forked Bolt, Dismember, and/or Chain Lightning
    -some lists cutting FoW to 3
    -some lists using Snapcaster and/or Scavenging Ooze
    -some lists using Green Sun Zenith
    -sideboard cards choices adapting to the modern metagame
    -the only 'threshold' card remaining is Nimble Mongoose. Ancient threshold decks sometimes played stuff like Werebear, Mystic Enforcer, and/or Fledgling Dragon alongside the Goose, giving more reason for the original name

    With the additional creatures, the deck plays out more like a modern 'Merfolk' deck, in that it's a blue deck that beats [most] other blue decks with aggressive creatures + disruption while still having game against the rest of the field.

    I think the naming convention is arbitrary. Canadian Threshold is an interesting piece of Legacy history, but the deck has evolved quite a bit from its roots and I think the changes are significant enough that the deck can be renamed to better reflect what it actually is.

    tl;dr: I don't care

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    RUG Tempo is more descriptive, but Canadian Threshold is a cooler name, and it carries more weight in Legacy history.

    Also, Legacy is full of decks with non-descriptive names.

    I vote Canadian Threshold, it's what I've been calling it since I first sleeved it up, circa 2008.

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    I imagine different decks under the names and I strongly prefer color order by importance over pseudo funny associations

    Canadian Threshold - 4xgoyf, 4xMongoose 20 to the face, Rushing River or Clique classics, now with delver
    URG Thresh - CT non standard lists
    RUG Tempo - snapcasters, grims ... I used American Threshold as a working term for standard lists with Snapcasters over Mongoose, that only American guys used to play while my european friends sad its total crap

    =delver, stifle, mongoose list is a Canadian Threshold successor for me everything other is URG tempo or NLT

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    There are no blades in Stoneblade nowadays mostly but it's still called Stoneblade init? At least RUG has Goose. Don't piss me off or I'll call it the Red Miracle Gro. After all, the modern Threshold decks have their roots in the old Gro decks.

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Canadian Thresh. Thanks for making this thread, as this needed to be discussed/clarified.
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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Quote Originally Posted by Purgatory View Post
    RUG Tempo is more descriptive, but Canadian Threshold is a cooler name, and it carries more weight in Legacy history.
    +1

    Like I said in its discussion thread, the naming of a deck is generally irrelevant. I've been calling it RUG Delver/RUG Tempo to try to be more descriptive to people who are unfamiliar with the format. Instead of asking what is so Canadian about the deck, they can deduce what the strategy is from the name (3 color tempo strategy). I'm fine with that.
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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    It's called Canadian, also there was already an archetype called NO RUG.

    Since we're talking about names, it's really Benzo, not Reanimator; Secret Force, not NO RUG; MUD, not Metalworker; Excalibur, not Blade Control (see what I did there).


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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Ok, here's a piece of enlightenment for everybody who's confused about decknames.

    Canadian Threshold is the old 58 fixed cards + Rushing River and Clique deck. It recently added 4 Delver because it fits its general plan perfectly.

    RUG Tempo plays Snapcaster Mage and often drops Stifle. It's actually pretty close to what used to be NO RUG. In case you've played NO RUG you will surely agree. RUG Tempo's fundamental turn is 1 turn slower than NO Rug because of the banning on Mental Misstep.

    Right now, there's a clear distinction between these two decks in the form of Snapcaster and their opinion on Stifle. I'm friends with (or at least know) some of the very best European Canadian Threshold pilots and they would all never touch Snapcaster Mage because it doesn't belong in the deck.
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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    The deck has nothing to do with Sasquatch or hockey rug tempo quickly and concisely explains what the deck does to anyone with a general knowledge of magic speak.
    If there is a point it is that when we are talking strategy in person or on a website such as this for simplicity sake let's use names that are straightforward and descriptive.

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Both of those names are terrible. All of the names of every deck are terrible. We should just rename everything to "Boner Soup" and denote it by color.
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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Quote Originally Posted by majikal View Post
    Both of those names are terrible. All of the names of every deck are terrible. We should just rename everything to "Boner Soup" and denote it by color.
    "RUG Boner Soup" does have a nice ring to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by wcm8 View Post
    Significant changes to the list:
    -adding 3-4 additional creatures
    -often dropping Stifle in favor of Spell Pierce, or at least playing some number of Pierce in the main
    -generally cutting the 'flex'/utility slots like V. Clique, Rushing River, Wipe Away, etc.
    -generally cutting Fire//Ice entirely in favor of Forked Bolt, Dismember, and/or Chain Lightning
    -some lists cutting FoW to 3
    -some lists using Snapcaster and/or Scavenging Ooze
    -some lists using Green Sun Zenith
    -sideboard cards choices adapting to the modern metagame
    -the only 'threshold' card remaining is Nimble Mongoose. Ancient threshold decks sometimes played stuff like Werebear, Mystic Enforcer, and/or Fledgling Dragon alongside the Goose, giving more reason for the original name

    With the additional creatures, the deck plays out more like a modern 'Merfolk' deck, in that it's a blue deck that beats [most] other blue decks with aggressive creatures + disruption while still having game against the rest of the field.

    I think the naming convention is arbitrary. Canadian Threshold is an interesting piece of Legacy history, but the deck has evolved quite a bit from its roots and I think the changes are significant enough that the deck can be renamed to better reflect what it actually is.

    tl;dr: I don't care
    I don't know if I can agree the deck in its current form is that much different from the old Canadian Threshold. If you would just compare this old list:
    http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l..._Wienburg.html

    to Kenny Castor's 2nd place list at GP Indy:
    http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...2&iddeck=57326

    are the two decks really that different from each other? All I see is Delver instead of V.Clique, and Forked Bolt instead of Fire/Ice. Oh, and there's a singleton SDT in Kenny's list. Everything else in the two lists is the same! Can we really say the modern list is that much different from the old list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBlaze View Post
    The deck has nothing to do with Sasquatch or hockey rug tempo quickly and concisely explains what the deck does to anyone with a general knowledge of magic speak.
    If there is a point it is that when we are talking strategy in person or on a website such as this for simplicity sake let's use names that are straightforward and descriptive.
    What does Maverick have to do with fighter jets? What does Team America have to do with NASCAR? Why don't we just call Maverick "GW Stoneblade" or "GW Aggro" then. And change the name of the Team America thread to "BUG Tempo". After all, it would quickly and concisely explain what the deck does...

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    Re: RUG Tempos real name

    Chose "Canadian Threshold" for patriotic reasons and because Cappy is a cool guy.

    Also, I'm strongly in favour of adopting the SCG policy for Legacy deck names: the colours of the deck followed by the term "Stoneblade". Handy reference guide:
    UW Stoneblade = UW Stoneblade
    Deadguy Ale = BW Stoneblade
    Maverick = GW Stoneblade
    Team America = BUG Stoneblade
    TES = BUWR Stoneblade
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefringthing View Post
    Also, I'm strongly in favour of adopting the SCG policy for Legacy deck names: the colours of the deck followed by the term "Stoneblade".
    That is not how you spell "Boner Soup".
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