I think that at the very least it will be a strong sideboard card against midrange aggro, e.g. Maverick.
This is definitely the best current deck it is a strong counter too, but it is my opinion that this and a few other cards from the next expansion are going to fundamentally alter the Legacy meta.Originally Posted by Malakai
People who are talking about how good miracle cards are on account of Jace, Brainstorm and Top forget another useful tool to make these things work: Scroll Rack. That card will rise in prise.
I don't like Scroll Rack. With Top you can cash in the Top at any time to get a card. With the Scroll Rack you just lose a card. Also it doesn't allow you to cast miracles on your opponents turn because it doesn't draw cards.
Better take Mirri's Guile with that too. It's functionally a free SDT that doesn't protect itself and doesn't let you cast on your opponents turn... seems good enough.
Mirri's Guile doesn't have activation cost, but it's card disadvantage compared with Sensei's Divining Top, given that you can draw a card out of the latter and then shuffle your library with a fetchland. Also, SDT is faster if you have mana to activate.
That's why people play SDT and Sylvan Library over Mirri's Guile. Better than compare it with SDT, you should compare it with a permanent Natural Selection restricted to yourself, and unable to shuffle your library.
Will you also call for a ban for Natural Selection?
Please, don't start suggesting Natural Selection and Visions as answers against the opponent's miracles.
Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".
True, but unlike Top, it allows you to get a miracle that you got in your opening hand back in the library. It's a card that works best with Life from the Loam, but it's quite good with miracle too.
Terminus is the strongest evidence that a card designed with little or nothing attention for its impact on Legacy- as some of the Miracle cards are- will likely drive the format into one-way dominion by few archetypes (namely UW control) in the next 3 months, with some of the current tiers (Maverick) being pushed out badly. The card is excessively retarded and it being narrow isn't really a justification for the tremendous impact on a game for a single white mana. Tao in the first page said everything right, unfortunately.
This will eventually lead to an urgency-ban for Brainstorm, which is probably where they wanted to get. I predict this will happen in the very next B&R announcement, because 3 months are plenty of time to demonstrate how the format has been badly butchered.
Instead of talking shit about horrible cards to make it work or to fight it, try to look further and begin to evaluate how to revamp your decks without Brainstorm.
And, in case you weren't play it (and maybe you'd be even actually happy without it around), try to anticipate what will surge and how to modify your deck accordingly. Beware decks like Belcher or Pox.
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Tarmogoyf is so insane. Best have it banned!
Stoneforge Mystic is absurd. Let's ban it!
Snapcaster Mage should never been printed. It's so damn good! Ban it!
Miracle cards will change the environment. What a sacrilege! They deserve a preemptive ban so banworthy they are! Ban them right now, ban ban ban!
Oh, the Legacy community. So attached to their Tundras and Underground Seas, that they'll always refuse to leave 1994.
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Clearly you have little to no lungimirance to understand the difference between a powerful 2-drop and a card like Terminus, especially for what it could imply for a healthy, diverse metagame where midrange and aggro can still perform decently (as now they are). I wish, ironically, that your deck of first choice is Maverick, or Elves, Goblins ("nice Cavern Soul, btw! Look, instead of countering them, I'll wipe your threats") or even Reanimator, for that's worth.
None of this is mine, but I'm still enough sensed to point out when a card is undoubtedly excessive.
None of the cards you mentioned is, because they can't provide tremendous advantages for a single instant-speed mana that doesn't fall under any played disruption, saved Fow and Stifle (which the aforementioned archetypes, baring Reanimator, do NOT play).
Save your taste for blatantly flaming on stereotypical basis for another topic, thanks.
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Word up.
Even if I don't really think they printed Miracle mechanic in order to ban Brainstorm. It will just be a natural consequence of Terminus (and to a lesser extent) Walk 2.0 being printed.
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No people go nuts about Wrath of God? A six mana variant even?
I mean, miracle's cute and all, but I highly doubt we will be seeing these cards implemeted in many archetypes, as the variance on them is really high, even in jace.deck.
I feel like this is the Extirpate discussion all over again.
"Blue-Eyes White Dragon is a fatty that Jamie Wakefield seems to have overlooked. It has a tremendous power and toughness of 3000/2500, making it bigger than current threats such as Tarmogoyf or Mountain."
Please. Don't. You understood the post.
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*coughs nonchalantly*
YOU'RE GIVING ME A TIME MACHINE IN ORDER TO TREAT MY SLEEP DISORDER.
At least in my opinion, Terminus is going to warp the format.
Temporal Mastery will not, as the usefulness of trading a top-decked, i.e. a draw, for an extra turn is not that great outside of temp decks. It will be great in Delver and a few other decks and basically no others.
Terminus, on the other hand, is a little different. It's actually MORE limited than Temporal Mastery, in that there is little reason to run it in a deck that runs creatures with the intent to swing with them. What makes it bad for the format is that, at least in those decks that run it, the card acts as a 1CMC, instant-speed Wrath of God.
Whether or not this will lead to Brainstorm or Top being banned, or simply to Terminus being banned, I don't know. At least IMO, the only Miracle card truly over the top that is currently widely known is Terminus, so banning that makes the most sense to me.
We'll wait and see exactly what Wizards does, but it's my guess that they will HAVE to do something.
After testing terminus non stop for the last few days in a control shell I'm inclined to agree with eggo. Even in this early stage of deck development I was casting terminus nearly every turn I felt like it as early as t2, often at instant speed, while dropping game ending threats. One game I cast it upwards of 8 times. Because I could. Maverick will literally need to run a full set of teeg just to have a chance. Even thresh was folding to this thing although thresh probably has one of the better matchups against it. Burn, blue sligh, fast combo (non creature variety) and maybe tempo are all that will remain in the wake of terminus.
I don't want a ban to happen until we see if its necessary but if so then it should be terminus, not brainstorm and friends that gets the hammer.
Is this some kind of joke? Either you are trying to imply that you have been flashing it back via Snapcaster, then cast runic Repetition to do it all over again, which is fairly amusing.One game I cast it upwards of 8 times.
Or you're misunderstanding how "casting spells" works. Hint: They don't remain in your hand.
€dit: The more I contemplate on it, the more I think some people don't understand how "Miracle" works.
In the "Avacyn Restored"-thread someone ranted how you'd "timewalk every turn with Jace out".
Dear folks, when "Miracle" let's you cast the card, it goes to the stack, then its goes to the graveyard (or in case of Temporal Mastery: the exile). These cards are not a giant free-roll with Buyback: Zero.
"Blue-Eyes White Dragon is a fatty that Jamie Wakefield seems to have overlooked. It has a tremendous power and toughness of 3000/2500, making it bigger than current threats such as Tarmogoyf or Mountain."
Obnoxious Revival + Snapcaster + Miracle
Really?
I'd love to play against any deck packing a bunch of Noxious Revival for whatever reason.
I'm really looking forward to crushing people, who put on their new fancy miracle-pants.
"Blue-Eyes White Dragon is a fatty that Jamie Wakefield seems to have overlooked. It has a tremendous power and toughness of 3000/2500, making it bigger than current threats such as Tarmogoyf or Mountain."
Noxious Revival is a decent card and you underestimate the Miracle mechanic.
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