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    Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    First thing - This deck probably needs a better name. Trade Pod is stupid.

    Introduction

    While looking around TC Decks (For those of you who aren't using TC Decks, you're missing out on literally the best deck repository on the Internet) and I'm looking for something silly to build so I'm looking at the Rogue section, where I come across these lists:

    http://thecouncil.es/tcdecks/deck.ph...3&iddeck=60518
    http://thecouncil.es/tcdecks/deck.ph...8&iddeck=58187
    http://thecouncil.es/tcdecks/deck.ph...1&iddeck=56182

    For convenience, I've included the basic list here:

    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Gilded Drake
    1 Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 Kitchen Finks
    1 Masticore
    1 Phyrexian Metamorph
    1 Quirion Ranger
    1 Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
    1 Scryb Ranger
    1 Selkie Hedge-Mage
    1 Spike Feeder
    1 Spike Weaver
    1 Triskelion
    1 Wall of Blossoms
    1 Wickerbough Elder
    1 Wood Elves
    2 Eternal Witness
    2 Noble Hierarch
    2 Phantasmal Image
    2 Reveillark
    4 Birds of Paradise
    4 Tradewind Rider
    4 Wall of Roots

    1 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Birthing Pod

    1 Gaea's Cradle
    1 Savannah
    2 Misty Rainforest
    4 Tropical Island
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    7 Forest


    The deck looked incredibly silly, and like it could maybe even compete, so I decided to sleeve it up, considering that I had most of the cards. I've played the deck on-and-off for the last 3 weeks and I've settled on this as a tentative list:

    4 Birthing Pod
    1 Green sun's Zenith

    Creatures, Sorted by Mana Cost

    4 Noble Hierarch
    2 Birds of Paradise
    1 Quirion Ranger

    1 Wall of Blossoms
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    4 Wall of Roots
    1 Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
    2 Phantasmal Image

    2 Eternal Witness
    2 Kitchen Finks
    1 Viridian Shaman
    1 Wood Elves
    1 Spike Feeder

    1 Masticore
    1 Master of the Wild Hunt
    1 Phyrexian Metamorph
    1 Wickerbough Elder
    3 Tradewind Rider (I can only find 3!)
    1 Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 Spike Weaver

    1 Reveillark
    1 Murkfiend Liege

    1 Sun Titan
    1 Triskelion

    6 Forest
    4 Tropical Island
    2 Savannah
    1 Gaea's Cradle
    7 Fetch Lands

    Card Selection

    Since there are so many different cards in the deck, I'll be categorizing them by type:

    Birthing Pod, Green Sun's Zenith - Birthing Pod is the linchpin of the deck, while it is entirely possible to win games without the card, after only a couple of activations, you're generally so far ahead that most decks are unable to get back in the game. Green Sun's Zenith is a loose slot, but theoretically helps to increase the stability of draws, but is certainly a card that can be cut.

    Tradewind Rider - By far, the most common win condition in the deck stems from concessions resulting from Tradewind Rider activations. Against Slower combo decks, any control deck and most mid-range decks, Tradewind Rider must be answered before it loses summoning sickness or it viciously takes them out of the game. I'd not hesitate to play this card as a four-of if I was able to get my hands on the last copy.

    Mana Guys - The inclusion of BoP and Noble Hierarchs in the deck is somewhat obvious as the deck tends to be quite mana-hungry. Wall of Roots also falls into this category, but also lets you stave off early creatures. A plethora of one-costs allows you easy access into Phantasmal Image, which fulfills a number of uses, but also lets you hit Scavenging Oooze.

    Clones - The three Clone effects in the maindeck, 2 Phantasmal Image and 1 Phyrexian Metamorph offer nearly endless utility, often copying your own Eternal Witness or other value creature, but can also be used to make an unstoppable wall of Spike Weavers or even infinite combo with Triskelion and Reveillark. The clones let you jump around mana-costs for Birthing Pod which is incredibly useful, and always return to a Lark trigger.

    Utility Creatures - The number of creatures that fulfill some useful role in the deck is high, and the potential cards that can fill those roles is even higher. I've identified that you want to have at least these roles filled in the deck's 75 (76 in my case, something 77)

    (Special Note about Spikes, they can allow you to remove the -1/-1 Counters from a Persisted Kitchen Finks or Glen Elendra Archmage. This is useful.)

    Cards that 187, such as Uktabi Orangutan, Shriekmaw, Bone Shredder, Harmonic Sliver, Wickerbough Elder, Acidic Slime etc.
    Cards that allow you to creep ahead in card advantage independent of what an opponent is doing, such as Reveillark, Eternal Witness, Wall of Blossoms, Mulldrifter, Sun Titan, Master of the Wild Hunt, etc.
    Cards that keep you alive, such as Spike Feeder, Spike Weaver, Peacekeeper, Kitchen Finks, etc
    Cards that can disrupt an opponent, such as Glen Elendra Archmage, Heartwood Storyteller, Ichneumon Druid, Gaddock Teeg, Ethersworn Canonist, Thalia, Linvala, Aven Mindcensor etc.
    Cards that let you steal creatures, such as Sower of Temptation and Gilded Drake.
    Something that allows you to reuse Tradewind Rider, such asScryb Ranger, Seedborn Muse, Murkfiend Liege, Quirion Ranger.
    Something that allows you to Alpha-Stirke such as Murkfiend Liege... I can't really think of anything else.

    I'm sure there are role fillers that I haven't considered and I admit that this deck is far from completed and optimized, but I wanted to present the deck to the community to discuss. I've now played the deck in roughly 6 events, with an overall record of 17-3-3 where two of the draws are IDs and most all of the wins are against other, established decks.

    Two things I'd like to focus on, other than general optimization is to find an impressive 5-cost creature to go along with Lark and Murkfiend Liege, Sadly Acidic Slime is currently near the top of the list, but there has to be something better. The second is to find a very strong 3-cost creature that is able to stand alone and impact an empty field. I tried out Knight of the Reliquary but the white is just too much of a problem and his impact on the game isn't that huge, this isn't GW. On that same note, I know that Sun Titan is greedy, but It seemed like an obvious inclusion to me and I've enjoyed having him in the deck.

    With all of that said, I hope that some insights can be generated about what I think is a very fun, challenging*, interesting and high potential archetype.

    *Seriously, this deck's decision trees make it among the hardest decks, if not the hardest I've ever played.
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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    This is an evolution of old Survival decks. Previous versions also ran Fauna Shaman and Meriki to abuse the Rangers.

    This new Birthing Pod build seems much stronger.

    The overall problem is of course that this deck has 0 game against combo. It has slightly more game against Sneak Show, the current combo deck of choice.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    I like the name... used to play this on MWS time to time (missing few to play on paper) and its real fun


    // Lands
    4 [ISD] Forest (1)
    4 [R] Tropical Island
    4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    2 [US] Gaea's Cradle
    1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
    1 [R] Bayou
    1 [R] Savannah
    3 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs

    // Creatures
    2 [CMD] Eternal Witness
    4 [TE] Tradewind Rider
    4 [ARC] Wall of Roots
    4 [M12] Birds of Paradise
    1 [MOR] Reveillark
    1 [UL] Deranged Hermit
    1 [V10] Masticore
    1 [LRW] Sower of Temptation
    1 [BRB] Spike Weaver
    1 [NPH] Phyrexian Metamorph
    1 [EVG] Wood Elves
    1 [10E] Viridian Shaman
    2 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
    1 [US] Gilded Drake
    1 [SH] Wall of Blossoms
    1 [M12] Llanowar Elves
    1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
    1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
    1 [M12] Phantasmal Image
    1 [VI] Quirion Ranger
    1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 [UD] Academy Rector
    1 [CHK] Yosei, the Morning Star
    1 [EVE] Murkfiend Liege

    // Spells
    4 [NPH] Birthing Pod
    2 [EX] Recurring Nightmare

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    I would think a full set of GSZ's plus some number of Hierarchs would be better than running any number of BoP or Wall of Roots, and maybe some Brainstorm to shuffle away an Arbor in case you draw it and want to GSZ for it. I mean, the lists run quite a bit of acceleration, and GSZ is really good since it accelerates and its a great topdeck even if your Tradewind Rider got killed and your Birthing Pod got countered.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    I should comment something about the players (David Gómez and Sergi Herrero), since the former is me and the latter is the creator of the deck. I told him I would blatantly copy his deck because

    a) it has Aluren creatures
    b) it has a full playset of "Survival of the Fittest"; and
    c) it has a combo kill involving Reveillark, which my Survival lists also shared

    That said, I can contribute what he told me about the list. He came up with it with the idea of crushing any GW Zenith variant, and he (and I too) has always won the matchup, which means the deck does get its job done. Creature-based decks in general tend to lose to this, Zoo not so much when it gets a godly hand, but otherwise its fine. Dredge is also fine between 0/0 clones, Spikes and the like; if you get to stick a Weaver, you should win. Other combo decks and most forms of blue control tend to be bad matchups, though Glen Elendra Archmage is your best bet and can win the game single-handedly, especially with a clone next to her. Planeswalkers are painful bombs against us and explains why he runs SB Spell Pierce.

    @ Master Shake: Sergi apparently didn't think about the creatures too thoroughly, most of them are just his favourites from his Survival times. He has also told me that the deck "doesn't kill", meaning it wins by having the opponent concede over multiple Tradewind activations and has the Reveillark combo mostly as a last resort.

    He too faces the problem of the 5cc cost creature, he wants to have two, one of which is Reveillark. The other one, according to him, should be something useful both when you're winning and when you're losing, last time I talked with him he said he would probably stick with Acidic Slime again. He doesn't like Murkfiend Liege or Seedborn Muse because topdecking any of them in a bad board state doesn't solve anything, despite their synergy with Masticore and Tradewind Rider. He generally prefers Seedborn Muse because Reveillark can bring her back. When I played the deck I decided to solve this dilemma by running a second Reveillark: she's good whenever you draw her and also lets you cast the first one without worrying too much if she gets countered. Curiously, though, I've found myself boarding one when in doubt, and when watching Sergi play I've seen him boarding whatever 5cc he's running alongside Reveillark too, so this decision may be partially a product of his own paranoia. No amazing 3cc creatures are needed, by the way, since Tradewind Rider already fulfills that role.

    The 1-of Zenith is actually an extra Quirion / Scryb Ranger slot and little else, and he tends to board it out when he doesn't know what to take, so it's true it could be cut entirely. In his words, "it doesn't really have anything good to find", which is why the initial full playset has gone down to a singleton.

    Last time I played this deck I made some little changes to adapt it more to my tastes. The main issue I found with Green Sun's Zenith is that it can't find anything good simply because the best creatures in the deck aren't green. I also saw the way Glen Elendra Archmage destroys control and how Spell Pierce tends to fall short, especially now that Wrath of God only costs , in addition to the fact that sometimes, the best way to take down a planeswalker is through another planeswalker. So, to the first list you've posted (the one I played) I made the following changes:

    -1 Selkie Hedge-Mage
    -1 Reveillark
    -1 Green Sun's Zenith

    +2 Chord of Calling
    +1 Venser, the Sojourner

    The sideboard includes an additional Glen Elendra Archmage, 1 Garruk, Primal Hunter, and I favor Negate over Spell Pierce. From what I've seen lately, I would probably go MD -1 Wall of Blossoms +1 Spellskite as well.

    Venser is just one of the many things Sergi has been trying, so I don't know where his potential reaches yet. Chord is a favourite of mine from Aluren and I find it much more fitting for the deck, since it can find the real bombs, it does its job at instant speed, and with it the SB silver bullets make much more sense, not to mention how Wall of Roots is like a Ritual when it comes to paying it. Garruk is my personal bet against control because I feel Venser kinda falls short in that matchup, although I still lack experience overall.

    Hope something from this wall of text enlightens you, anyway

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    If blue-based control is a problem, how about taking page out of Hulk Rebirth and running Carpet of Flowers and Xantid Swarm or City of Solitude in the SB? And from the crazy-enough-it-might-actually-work department there is Chalice of the Void which as a bonus helps against combo as well.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    So, I've been playing around with a couple different configurations of the deck and I wish that I had more space in the deck to play with. So far, these are some of my thoughts:

    RecPod - On the surface, Recurring Nightmare seemed really powerful with the top end of Yosei seeming quite blah, when I started playing with the deck I was finding that often I really wasn't often impressed with what Recurring Nightmare was doing with one key exception - When the Yosei lock was available.
    In many ways, the Yosei lock is much cleaner and efficient than then Triskelion combo kill, because it goes straight up the Pod Curve, and takes an average of one fewer activation to get there. Finding a win that only involves me going up the curve with Pod is really important for me, and this seems to be one of the best available options at the moment, but I hope that something pops out at me soon.
    I intend to take a build much like Sloshthedark's into a weekly event soon, unless something really pops out at me. My current list is looking like:

    4 Forest
    4 Tropical Island
    4 Misty Rainforest
    1 Gaea's Cradle
    1 Bayou
    2 Savannah
    4 Verdant Catacombs

    2 Eternal Witness
    4 Tradewind Rider
    4 Wall of Roots
    4 Birds of Paradise
    2 Reveillark
    1 Sower of Temptation
    1 Spike Weaver
    1 Phyrexian Metamorph
    1 Wood Elves
    1 Kitchen Finks
    1 Wall of Blossoms
    2 Noble Hierarch
    2 Phantasmal Image
    1 Quirion Ranger
    1 Glen Elendra Archmage
    1 Academy Rector
    1 Yosei, the Morning Star
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Rofellos, Llanowr Emissary
    1 Spike Feeder
    1 Acidic Slime
    1 Wickerbough Elder
    4 Birthing Pod
    2 Recurring Nightmare

    The list is like 62 cards. I'm working on it.

    On the Sideboard

    The sideboard has been another source of a lot of grief for me. I'd like to play Negate to have more relevant cards later in the game, but you have to keep more mana open for it and it does nothing against decks like Belcher and presumably storm combo decks. This made me question if I should be trying to use Mindbreak Trap, considering it was free and did some of what I needed the sideboard to do. The Nature's Claim/Krosan Grips are positively mandatory, I wouldn't suggest ever trying to go below two. I've been keeping a sideboard plan that involves 2 Scavenging Ooze, 2 Jitte, a couple of utility creatures and then combo hate, and this has been working for me so far, but I'm left feeling like I'm overboarding for some matches and it's hard for me to find the balance. Somehow I've been X-0 against Show and Tell decks, but that doesn't feel quite right to me.

    The sideboard I'm currently using looks like this:

    2 Scavenging Ooze
    2 Jitte
    3 Spell Pierce
    3 Mindbreak Trap
    2 Ethersworn Cannonist
    1 Masticore
    1 Kitchen Finks
    1 Heartwood Storyteller (Really trying to fit into the main)

    According to my own rule, I need to try to cut a couple of cards for Grip, so it will likely be the Traps, cutting for another piece of graveyard hate or Pierce number 4 or for 3 Grips/Nature's Claim.


    I'm still having a lot of fun and success with this list going something like 30-5-3 in tournaments thus far, but I feel like the deck is still far from being optimal, as a toolbox deck like this often does. I don't really have the time to dedicate to trying to get the deck to where it needs to be, but the problems I'm still feeling after the last couple of weeks are these:

    I still feel like the 3cc slots are pretty weak. I would really like a 3cc Clone or something like Acidic Slime, but there is no way that is going to happen.

    The Combo matches need a better plan than Spell Pierce, but there likely isn't even one available. Clique is generally ok at best - it isn't stellar at anything. I suppose I'd normally want copies of Mindcensor against combo, considering that it shuts down Intuition, Infernal and so forth, not to mention that it has splash applications against Stoneforge, GSZ and so forth.
    I like that Recurring Nightmare can back-up a clone against Show and Tell considering you can't drop a clone in off Show and Tell and expect to kill anything. Black can give the option of Cabal Therapy in the board, but that would probably require further destabilization of the manabase.

    Goblins and Elves are both nightmare matches, I hope to address this in the future.

    I don't really see how it's possible to beat G/W with this deck consistently, let alone claim it to be favorable. All of their guys are good against the deck and if there is an Aven Mindcensor (or even worse, Linvala) involved the match becomes a nightmare.


    I ended up with a bunch of free time, so I decided to start a list of creatures that I either really want to play or creatures that I think have worthwhile EtB effects or so forth. This is going to be a list that I personally maintain and try to sort out, suggested additions are welcome:

    *quick disclaimer, I don't pretend that some of these cards are on the total fringe if playability.

    EtB effect Creatures

    1cc
    Soul Warden
    Essence Warden
    Treefolk Harbinger
    Sage of Epityr
    Cathedral Sanctificatier

    2cc
    Wall of Blossoms
    Wall of Omens
    Leonin Relic Warder
    Temple Acolyte
    Squadron Hawk
    Lone Missionary
    Elvish Visionary
    Renegade Doppleganger
    Stoneforge Mystic
    Nest Invader
    Lotus Cobra
    Coiling Oracle
    Stern Proctor

    3cc
    Fiend Hunter
    Harmonic Sliver
    Man-o-War
    Mentor of the Meek
    Wood Elves
    Deceiver Exarch
    Eternal Witness
    Fierce Empath
    Blade Splicer
    Trinket Mage
    Treasure Mage
    Viridian Corrupter
    Viridian Shaman
    Uktabi Orangutan
    Loaming Shaman
    Stonecloaker
    Kitchen Finks
    Vendillion Clioque
    Yavamaya Druid
    Sea Gate Oracle
    Tilling Treefolk
    Hag Hedgemage
    Bone Shredder
    Selkie Hedgemage
    Wispmare
    Pestermite
    Aven Riftwatcher
    Caller of the Claw
    Rishidan Cutpruse
    Raven Familiar
    Spike Feeder
    Shardless Agent

    4cc
    Kozilek's Predator
    Ranger of Eos
    Masked Admirers
    Mist Raven
    Stonehorn Dignitary
    Cytoplast Manipulator
    Venser, Shaper Savant
    Llawan, Cephalid Empress
    Nantuko Cultivator
    Rishidan Footpad
    Spike Weaver
    Restoration Angel
    Dungeon Geists
    Sower of Temptation
    Obstinate Baloth
    Loxodon Hierarch
    Nekkrataal
    Glimmerpoint Stag
    Emeria Angel
    Bloodbraid Elf

    5cc
    Acidic Slime
    Mulldrifter
    Karmic Guide
    Riftwing Cloudskate
    Knight Captain of Eos
    Deranged Hermit
    Hollowhenge Scavenger
    Razor Hippogriff
    Indrik Stomphowler
    Shriekmaw
    Rishigan Brigand

    6cc
    Brutalizer Exarch
    Sunblast Angel
    Geralf's Mindcrusher
    Grave Titan
    Sun Titan
    Primeval Titan
    Inferno Titan
    Frost Titan
    AEthersnipe
    Deadwood Treefolk
    Admontion Angel
    Roil Elemental
    Twilight Shepperd

    Other brief considerations:
    Craterfoot Behemoth
    Angel of Glory's Rise

    Cards with Leaves the Battlefield effects

    (Not yet researched very well)

    Yosei, the Falling Star
    Academy Rector
    Veteran Explorer
    Noble Benefactor
    Revillark
    Nevermaker
    Aura Thief

    Clones - Useful to clone things, often helps cheat mana costs for Pod.

    Phantasmal Image
    Phyrexian Metamorph
    Clone
    Sakashima, the Imposter
    Sakashima's Student
    Vesuvan Doppleganger
    Vesuvan Shapeshifter

    Mana Guys

    Birds of Paradise
    Noble Hierarch
    Llanowar Elves
    Magus of the Vineyard
    Fyndhorn Elves
    Wall of Roots
    Quirion Ranger
    Scryb Ranger
    Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
    Knight of the Reliquary

    Useful Undying Guys

    Strangleroot Geist
    Kitchen Finks
    Glen Eledra Archmage
    Vorapede

    Other Cards I find interesting/useful

    Tradewind Rider
    Triskelion
    Masticore
    Peacekeeper
    Magus of the Moat
    Havenwood Storyteller
    Wickerbough Elder
    Seedborn Muse
    Murfkfiend Liege
    Glen Elendra Archmage
    Gaddock Teeg
    Thalia
    Ethersworn Cannonist
    Meddling Mage
    Scavenging Ooze
    Aven Mindcensor

    A bit of an exhaustive list. Hopefully this will end up near the end of page one so people are not always forced to look at it.
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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Shake View Post
    Goblins and Elves are both nightmare matches, I hope to address this in the future.

    I don't really see how it's possible to beat G/W with this deck consistently, let alone claim it to be favorable. All of their guys are good against the deck and if there is an Aven Mindcensor (or even worse, Linvala) involved the match becomes a nightmare.
    I didn't ignore the rest of your post, but this I feel more like responding.

    I don't know about Elves, but assuming both normal opening hands, Goblins has to be on the play and start with a Lackey to have a chance of success. Any other line of play and they'll soon face Walls and Riders, the latter of which they must kill before they can be activated or they'll lose.

    The only creature from GW you should be worried about is Knight of the Reliquary, which more often than not gets bounced or traded for Gilded Drake (bonus points if Scryb Ranger is there). If you get a Knight search Gaea's Cradle and half the game is yours. Tradewind Rider is a nightmare for them as well.

    The rest of their creatures die to Masticore, including Mindcensor, though if it lands first it can be tricky to get anything. Don't forget SB Umezawa's Jitte, to them it's like Masticore in equipment form. Linvala seems tough, but she doesn't shut down Birthing Pod and is legendary, so copy her and enjoy your activations like nothing's happened.

    If they have both Mindcensor and Linvala, well... the matchup is pretty favorable, but not necessarily an auto-win

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonex View Post

    The only creature from GW you should be worried about is Knight of the Reliquary, which more often than not gets bounced or traded for Gilded Drake (bonus points if Scryb Ranger is there). If you get a Knight search Gaea's Cradle and half the game is yours. Tradewind Rider is a nightmare for them as well.

    The rest of their creatures die to Masticore, including Mindcensor, though if it lands first it can be tricky to get anything. Don't forget SB Umezawa's Jitte, to them it's like Masticore in equipment form. Linvala seems tough, but she doesn't shut down Birthing Pod and is legendary, so copy her and enjoy your activations like nothing's happened.

    If they have both Mindcensor and Linvala, well... the matchup is pretty favorable, but not necessarily an auto-win
    I want to mention that Goblins does play Pyrokenesis which at minimum is a 3-for-2 against this deck.

    The GW deck is far more consistent, while they can't actually find any of the problem creatures off GSZ, they play more draw (Horizion Canopy, Sylvan Library) actual removal (StP, Qasali Pridemage) more turn one acceleration (4 Noble Hierarch + 4 GSZ for Dryad arbor.) Mother of Runes to sneak past a table full of green guys. Everything they have comes on-line before Birthing Pod is active. I've played this match a few times now and I just think it's a write off - not even worth trying to improve because it's so unfavorable. When I bring in Jittes they bring in even more cards to shut me down.

    I understand that your experiences have been vastly different, and I'm glad you've been successful against GW, but that is the polar opposite of my experience against the deck. Regardless, I still think it's wroth developing.
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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    Hey guys, awesome lists, this deck seems like a blast to play.

    I can figure out how to bounce and copy stuff and beat face is one way to victory, but for us not so initiated, could you please explain how to perform the different combo-wins you've mentioned. I mean, how to play them out, in practice.

    In specific, I believe you've suggested
    - "Triskelion-win"
    - "reivelark combo"
    - "Yusei something something"
    - Did someone mention Saffi?

    What is required in terms of cards available in play/in hand, and how much mana is required to initiate each?

    I mean, surely one combo-win in the deck is enough, and surely some must be objectively superior to others?

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    Get Reveillark, have a Phantasmal Image copy her, then get Triskelion. How you get them is up to you, though Birthing Pod is the most reliable way.

    Such an Image is essentially a Reveillark with 0 power in the graveyard, so it can reanimate itself with its ability. It also costs 5 on the battlefield, which Birthing Pod takes into account.

    Once all three are there, Triskelion 1) pings your opponent; 2) pings itself; 3) pings Image. Upon removing the last counter, it dies as SBA because it dealt 1 damage to itself. Image triggers, dying as well. Return both with Image's ability, copying Reveillark. Rinse and repeat.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    On its face, this seems like it would be too slow and board-dependant for legacy.

    Fatestitcher is something you might consider since it can work well with Tradewind Rider and Birthing Pod.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly_Bear View Post
    Hey guys, awesome lists, this deck seems like a blast to play.

    I can figure out how to bounce and copy stuff and beat face is one way to victory, but for us not so initiated, could you please explain how to perform the different combo-wins you've mentioned. I mean, how to play them out, in practice.

    In specific, I believe you've suggested
    - "Triskelion-win"
    - "reivelark combo"
    - "Yusei something something"
    - Did someone mention Saffi?

    What is required in terms of cards available in play/in hand, and how much mana is required to initiate each?

    I mean, surely one combo-win in the deck is enough, and surely some must be objectively superior to others?
    Yosei kill only applies if you are running Recurring Nightmare as well (a mistake/completely unneeded imo). It goes like this: you need a creature in the graveyard and RN in play. Cast Yosei and sacrifice it to RN. Opponent becomes tapped out. During your next turn replay RN and sacrifice the creature you got with RN the previous turn to get back Yosei. Replay RN again and sac. Yose to it. Opponent is tapped out for another turn. At this point people usually concede; if not, repeat until you kill them with something.
    This kill is much less robust than the Triskellion one because the loop is sorcery-speed and -- more importantly -- it gives your opponent time to draw an answer (<=1 mana countermagic (for RN) or graveyard hate. The former can be somewhat mitigated if that other creature is Accademy Rector and you use it at some point to get another copy of RN).

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    I played this in a local tournament (15 people--I went 2-0-2, lost in top 4 due to play mistake, split for third place), after practicing (very little) online and in person over the course of like three days. As a result, I played slowly and badly.

    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Gilded Drake
    0 Glen Elendra Archmage (couldn't find any, sadly)
    1 Kitchen Finks
    1 Masticore
    1 Phyrexian Metamorph
    1 Quirion Ranger
    1 Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
    1 Scryb Ranger
    0 Selkie Hedge-Mage (didn't like it in testing--my trops would get wasted and then I'd lose)
    1 Trygon Predator
    1 Spike Feeder
    1 Spike Weaver
    1 Triskelion
    0 Wall of Blossoms (cut for Spellskite, as suggested)
    1 Wickerbough Elder
    1 Wood Elves
    2 Eternal Witness
    2 Noble Hierarch
    2 Phantasmal Image
    2 Reveillark
    4 Birds of Paradise
    4 Tradewind Rider
    4 Wall of Roots

    1 Chord of Calling (I only have 1)
    1 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Birthing Pod

    0 Gaea's Cradle (don't own any, but I figured I wouldn't draw it consistently anyway--I didn't miss it much)
    1 Savannah
    4 Misty Rainforest
    3 Tropical Island
    1 Island
    4 Windswept Heath
    6 Forest

    SB:
    3 Nature's Claim
    3 Negate
    2 Kitchen Finks
    2 Vendilion Clique
    1 Ethersworn Canonist
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Phyrexian Revoker
    1 Venser, Shaper Savant
    1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir

    I pretty much threw in what I had. I love the idea of Teferi saving me from countermagic, but he probably gets through early enough rarely enough to actually help. I love the card, though. Venser, I don't know when I would board in--I didn't, in the course of the day--but again, I love the card. Revoker would have been good, except I named Knight of the Reliquary instead of Qasali Pridemage. I boarded in Negate a good amount, but never saw one. I'm not totally sure when I'd want to board in Nature's Claim--it won't help against Sneak Attack, (right?) and I've got slower artifact/enchantment destruction against most decks. I mean, I'd put it in vs. Affinity or Enchantress or whatever, but that's kinda rare these days. Counterbalance is probably not much of a threat to me. When do I really need it?

    In testing I felt like Wastelands + failure to draw pod meant I just lost. In some cases I'd draw enough birds and walls to survive off no land, but not drawing pod can be pretty bad. I tried to find a good tutor, and the best I came up with was Tezzeret, the Seeker. He costs 5, but immediately gets you a Pod/Masticore/Phyrexian Metamorph, or he gets you a revoker or spellskite and lives to untap things later on. I didn't end up playing it, but it seems ok.

    I like the idea of playing Restoration Angel in future--seems like it could be better than Tradewind in some cases.

    I tied to Gu Intuition Vengevine elves, beat Sneak and Show (game one show and tell--emrakul meets gilded drake, game 2 show and tell--griselbrand meets windswept health, next turn I draw the drake--ouch! He activates grisel twice to stop my drake + image, going down to 1 life before stomping me to death. game 3 I metamorph his progenitus and tradewind all his lands.), tied Maverick, beat Maverick (won game one, went to time game two). Lost to delver in top 4.

    I love the deck. I definitely want Glen Elendra Archmage, and I wish I'd remembered to SB Jitte. I feel like there are some things I want to change about the deck, but I haven't figured out what they are yet. One thing is, I've been playing Nic Fit with Veteran Explorers, Therapy, lots of Witnesses, Recurring Nightmare, and Sun Titan so I'm not used to having to play conservatively with Witness/Reveillark. I want more outs to lots of counterspells. Teferi was supposed to help here, but didn't really. I also considered Defense Grid, but it didn't seem like it'd be enough.

    I'd love to talk more about this, if anyone has thoughts.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    I play a very similar list in Modern, where I believe the deck is better suited, overall.

    A few things I have learner playing the list...

    Deadeye Navigator is worth considering. The big drawback with it is that you need another specific creature to win with it and it costs more mana, both to cast and to win with. On the plus side, it is harder to remove, wins faster, and only requires one other creature to do its job.

    Running one seems reasonable, obviously still alongside Tradewind Rider. You also need to include Venser and Acidic Slime to complete the method of victory, but it definitely does the job.

    From there, including a singleton Restoration Angel is not a bad move.

    Also, coming from having played modern combo-pod, a single Melira in the SB is also not terrible. Infinite Finks or Archmage can be excellent in certain matches.

    Beyond that, the list runs essentially all of the best cards from the Modern list with Rider as an alternate win condition. I still would not play it in Legacy, as it does not work well against combo, but I would expect the suggestions here are at least worth taking a look at.

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    Anyone tried to update the list with 3-4 Thalia?

    If combo was the deck's main concern, that might have changed.
    If I had to choose what deck between this and Maverick, there would be no doubt in my mind which would be more fun.
    Question is, could the deck be as good?

    Hard to tell since no one's playing it except a chosen few, and personally I'm not very good at this game. Can't blame that on the deck ;)

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    It's like I died and went to 1998. Or was it '99? If you're looking for a good 5 drop, Thragtusk does some work.
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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    I'd like to revive this thread because as of the recent past, an evolution of this deck has shown its presence in some tournaments.

    Now dubbed "Most" (dont know why), this deck runs the same engine but uses GSZ and Fauna Shaman (instead of Pod) to call out our toolbox creatures

    The Maverick thread recently discussed this: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...verick/page241

    And here are some pages for reference:

    TheCouncil decklist - http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...1&iddeck=69412
    and http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...7&iddeck=80256

    with the report(in Italian unfortunately) found here: http://www.tipo1.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=27255

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    Re: Trade Pod (Tradewind Rider Birthing Pod)

    ok, so i didn't know google had a page translator.

    MOST stands for Merieke-Opposition-Survival-Tradewind

    http://translate.google.com/translat...7255&sandbox=1

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