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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Better Than Dream Halls, This seems pretty damn cool.

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    A 3 card combo but upon resolution if you have any draw effects in your hand (even Brainstorm) you can keep chaining draw effects (Meditate, Ad Nauseam, Griselbrand) into counters into more draw effects into lethal storm with a bunch of "free" counters in hand. Seems careful deck design can break this card pretty hard.

    So the three cards are Show and Tell + Omniscience + Any draw effect.

    Edit: Actually it's like Spiral Tide which can go off on Turn 1 (theoretically with Petal and Sol Land), a protected storm count with an easier kill (actuall damage instead of milling). Draw-cast, draw-cast... without caring about mana really, then presenting the kill card with a bunch of counters.

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Why not use it in conjunction with dream halls... You need just find the Show and tell and then the combo unfolds by itself without you needing to search for the hidden pieces...

    so
    -Combo
    4 Show and tell
    4 Personal tutor
    4 Dream Halls
    4 Omniscience
    4 Conflux
    4 Intuition
    4 Progentius
    1 Prismatic omen
    1 Coalition Victory

    Protection
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    3 Daze
    2 Spell Peirce

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    4 Brainstorm

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    4 Ancient Tomb
    4 City of Traitors
    2 Scalding Tarn
    2 Flooded Strand
    1 Misty Rainforest

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Why do you need the Dream Halls?

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Quote Originally Posted by bilb_o View Post
    Why do you need the Dream Halls?
    maybe u can use dream halls with conflux to search this and play it

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Then you need Show and Tell + Dream Halls + Conflux as opposed to Show and Tell + Omniscience + Any random draw spell. At the time you assemble 2 cards (Show and Omni) you might be holding Brainstorm, Merchant Scroll, Meditate, Cunning Wish which would immediately chain into a storm count of 10 and a kill. You don't really search for the pieces at that point, you are just counting storm.

    Edit: Something like this. Very crude but replaced the High Tide+Time Spiral with Show and Tell, Omniscience to benefit the tutoring and drawing power of High Tide. Unless you naturally draw the combo pieces it's very easy to assemble them by Turn 3 at the latest with so many cantrips and Merchant Scroll and Intuition.

    18 Lands (including Sol ones)

    8 Counters

    4 Omni
    4 Show and Tell

    4 Merchant Scroll
    3 Cunning Wish
    1 Intuition
    3 Meditate

    4 BS
    4 Ponder
    4 Preordain

    3 Tendrils

    Sideboard:
    1 Intuition
    1 Personal Tutor
    1 Meditate
    ...

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    The only issue I have with the above list is that you're kind of all-in on show and tell. Therefore g2 & g3 you are giving your opponent a free uncounterable answer opportunity. Also, Krosan Grip

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    You're right I didn't give much thought to the list, I was just brainstorming. I also believe in such a configuration there could be 1 ofs like Ad Nauseam and Griselbrand to decrease the chances of bricking after you start to combo-out but as I said it's just a crude template that first occured to me. With careful deckbuilding I'm not sure how long either Show and Tell or Omniscience can stay legal in the format though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilb_o View Post
    You're right I didn't give much thought to the list, I was just brainstorming. I also believe in such a configuration there could be 1 ofs like Ad Nauseam and Griselbrand to decrease the chances of bricking after you start to combo-out but as I said it's just a crude template that first occured to me. With careful deckbuilding I'm not sure how long either Show and Tell or Omniscience can stay legal in the format though.
    I have a feeling they kept SNT unbanned this time just to troll us with this new enchantment.

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    I have a feeling they kept SNT unbanned this time just to troll us with this new enchantment.
    I thought this at first too. I said to myself "they want to show the chicken littles what broken/unfair really means". But...

    I don't think it's going to be as crazy as people think, consistency will be an issue and the all in on Show&Tell hurts it significantly, especially while RUG is so ubiquitous. Don't get me wrong, I think the card is absurdly powerful but I just don't think it will be any more dominant than any of the other powerful decks.

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Hmm, how to break Omniscience:

    Ancient Tomb, Lotus Petal, Show and Tell, Omniscience, Griselbrand, draw 14, Emrakul, extra turn, kill you? Seems strong and can be in a mono U shell. Nice. Cheaper in £££s than Sneak Attack too. Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Personal Tutor to find S&T? Hmm.
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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Quote Originally Posted by bilb_o View Post
    Why do you need the Dream Halls?
    Huh? because you want redundancy don't you? Instead of searching for one or the other, you now have 8* dream halls. You just need to find 1 card (s&t) instead of 2 (s&t and omniscience)

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    I'd rather load up on draw effects, tutors and cantrips rather than redundancy. In such a configuration I feel like you'd end up with dead cards in hand but with cantrips you can both find your pieces on turn 3 at the latest and can also use those cantrips to combo out after you land the Omniscience. But I guess your's is a completely different approach which is also worthy of exploration. In either case I think the card is very ripe for brewing and a potential candidate to cause some bans.

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Hypergenesis?

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Legit now we have Super Dream Halls. I guess this is confirmation that Tolarian Academy will never be legal ever again.
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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vacrix View Post
    Legit now we have Super Dream Halls. I guess this is confirmation that Tolarian Academy will never be legal ever again.
    Why would it matter how much mana Tolarian Academy can potentially produce when you don't have to pay for anything after resolving Omniscience? Maybe they'll unban Academy just to give decks the tools to fight the card...j/k

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    How is Academy Rector and Show&Tell for Omniscience any better than Gamekeeper and Show&Tell for Griselbrand exactly?

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Quote Originally Posted by bilb_o View Post
    ...
    4 Omni
    4 Show and Tell

    4 Merchant Scroll
    3 Cunning Wish
    1 Intuition
    3 Meditate

    4 BS
    4 Ponder
    4 Preordain

    3 Tendrils

    Sideboard:
    1 Intuition
    1 Personal Tutor
    1 Meditate
    ...
    You do realize that Merchant Scroll cannot fetch for Show and Tell, right?

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    I think you are getting sidetracked by all this show and tell combo stuff.

    This card is the real deal because it is a 9/9 with opalessence in play.

    I smell a new deck: Enchantimater.

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    Re: M13 Spoiler Discussion (Formerly Jace's Phantasm Discussion)

    Omniscience is completely busted, it will turbocharge currently broken decks and spawn brand new degenerate lists. I wonder if we'll refer to this as Combo Summer.

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