Lands: (34)
Scrubland
Badlands
Savannah
Taiga
Tundra
Volcanic Island
Bayou
Tropical Island
Underground Sea
Overgrown Tomb
Watery Grave
Breeding Pool
Arid Mesa
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Verdant Catacombs
Misty Rainforest
Bloodstained Mire
Polluted Delta
Marsh Flats
Flooded Strand
Scalding Tarn
Sunken Ruins
Twilight Mire
Flooded Grove
Forbidden Orchard
Gemstone Mine
Tarnished Citadel
City of Brass
Reflecting Pool
Command Tower
Exotic Orchard
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Cavern of Souls
Acceleration: (5)
Mana Crypt
Sol Ring
Birds of Paradise
Carpet of Flowers
Lotus Petal
Tutors: (18)
Imperial Seal
Grim Tutor
Demonic Tutor
Vampiric Tutor
Mystical Tutor
Personal Tutor
Muddle the Mixture
Intuition
Survival of the Fittest
Dimir Infiltrator
Worldly Tutor
Sylvan Tutor
Green Sun's Zenith
Lim-Dûl's Vault
Shred Memory
Eladamri's Call
Gamble
Imperial Recruiter
Protection: (11)
Force of Will
Mana Drain
Misdirection
Sylvan Safekeeper
Pact of Negation
Mizzium Skin
Vines of Vastwood
Ranger’s Guile
Mental Misstep
Mother of Runes
Spellskite
Recursion: (12)
Reanimate
Regrowth
Yawgmoth's Will
Dread Return
Memory’s Journey
Postmortem Lunge
Shallow Grave
Corpse Dance
Pull from Eternity
Unearth
Nostalgic Dreams
Snapcaster Mage
The Combo: (7)
Hermit Druid
Narcomoeba
Fatestitcher
Angel of Glory's Rise
Azami, Lady of Scrolls
Laboratory Maniac
Dregscape Zombie
Removal, etc: (12)
Gilded Drake
Abrupt Decay
Beast Within
Brainstorm
Nature's Claim
Ancient Grudge
Swords to Plowshares
Pongify
Deep Analysis
Cyclonic Rift
Frantic Search
Gitaxian Probe
Most people don't think of broken one card combos when you tell them you have a Scion of the Ur-Dragon EDH deck. It's not like Scion of the Ur-Dragon screams combo when you read his abilities. He seems like the perfect general for a dragon theme deck and he is, but he's also the best five-color general hands down. This makes Scion of the Ur-Dragon the best general for supporting the most broken one-card combo in EDH.
Hermit Druid is so powerful as to be worth devoting an entire deck to finding, protecting, and activating him. The deck doesn't need much in the way of a backup plan, because what's going to win through a turn three Hermit Druid activation with two to three pieces of removal, protection, or countermagic? With this deck, you're letting your opponents know what you're up to almost immediately and daring them to stop you. They won't be able to most of the time.
How the combo works:
Activate Hermit Druid. This will put your entire library into your graveyard because you run no basic lands. Narcomoeba will trigger and be put onto the battlefield. Pay U to unearth Fatestitcher, tap Fatestitcher to untap a land that can produce black mana. Use this land to unearth Dregscape Zombie. You now have at least three creatures which you can sacrifice to Dread Return Angel of Glory's Rise. Angel of Glory's Rise's, trigger will return Azami, Lady of Scrolls, Laboratory Maniac, Sylvan Safekeeper, Imperial Recruiter, and Hermit Druid to the battlefield. Use Azami, Lady of Scrolls to tap Laboratory Maniac, Sylvan Safekeeper, or herself to draw a card and win the game (via Laboratory Maniac's ability). If someone tries to deal with Laboratory Maniac in response to drawing a card, give it shroud with Sylvan Safekeeper or tap another Wizard to win the game in response. About the only cards that can stop this once Dread Return resolves are Stifle on Angel of Glory's Rise's trigger and split second cards.
Now wait a minute...
"Isn't this combo easy to disrupt?" you might ask. Creature removal, countermagic, graveyard hate, and Pithing Needle all disrupt the combo. What happens if Hermit Druid gets exiled? Even a well timed bounce spell on a creature can prevent Dread Return from being cast.
It's a lot harder to disrupt Hermit Druid than you think.
Let's look at the worst case scenario --- after activating Hermit Druid your Dread Return is counterspelled, one of your three creatures to cast it is killed/bounced, or someone Faerie Macabres your Angel of Glory's Rise in response to your Dread Return. Your entire library is in your graveyard and you can't use your combo. It looks hopeless, right?
Not at all.
Pull from Eternity and Memory's Journey can save you from almost any situation. By using Pull from Eternity to bring back an exiled Memory's Journey, you can slowly draw any card in your 99 as many times as you need to post-Hermit Druid activation. It's not an ideal situation to be in, but you're never truly hopeless as long as you can cycle Pull from Eternity and Memory's Journey.
What if Hermit Druid is exiled? If Hermit Druid is exiled, you can tutor for Pull from Eternity to put him into your graveyard and then use Shallow Grave or Postmortem Lunge to combo without hardly missing a beat.
Let's look at some common cards that stop our combo and how many cards we run that get around them:
Tormod's Crypt: 8 cards (Abrupt Decay, Ancient Grudge, Nature's Claim, Beast Within, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Pact of Negation, Cyclonic Rift)
Relic of Progenitus: 9 cards (Abrupt Decay, Ancient Grudge, Nature's Claim, Beast Within, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Pact of Negation, Mental Misstep, Cyclonic Rift)
Nihil Spellbomb: 9 cards ([cards]Abrupt Decay, Ancient Grudge, Nature's Claim, Beast Within, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Pact of Negation, Mental Misstep, Cyclonic Rift)
Leyline of the Void: 3 - 6 cards (Nature's Claim, Beast Within, Cyclonic Rift, possibly Force of Will, Mana Drain, Pact of Negation)
Swords to Plowshares/Path to Exile: 11 cards (Force of Will, Mana Drain, Pact of Negation, Spellskite, Muddle the Mixture, Mental Misstep, Mizzium Skin, Vines of Vastwood, Ranger's Guile, Mother of Runes, Sylvan Safekeeper)
You get the idea. These counts don't even include cards that can tutor for answers. It's not uncommon for this deck to be able to play through 2-3 pieces of hate without breaking a sweat.
Give Hermit Dru--- err, Scion of the Ur-Dragon a whirl. You'll be surprised at how powerful, consistent, and resilient it is.
Questions:
What can be done to make the deck more optimal/consistent?
Are any card choices sub-par?
Would Spell Pierce be better than one of the Green Hexproof spells?
"We are goblinkind, heirs to the mountain empires of chieftains past. Rest is death to us, and arson is our call to war."
I used to run Spell Pierce back when I ran three-color Hermit Druid, and I didn't like it. The hexproof cards protect Hermit Druid from things like Gilded Drake as well as any noncreature spell that targets. The advantage of Spell Pierce is that it can hit things like Pithing Needle, Tormod's Crypt, and Mana Drain, but it is unreliable. It might be worth another look.
I'd probably cut Dispel for it if anything, but I'm not a fan of either card.
There's still no reason not to run the single Moltensteel Dragon in ANY Scion of the Ur-Dragon list. If a player has a ton of disruption for your combo, sometimes it's more efficient just to destroy them rather than dig for fixes for the problem.
Hmmm...
It would be nice to one-shot people with the general, but 34 life is a ton to have to pay. Maybe if I also ran Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon so I'd only need to pay 12 life. This deck only runs 40 cards that make mana which makes me wonder how often I'll be casting Scion of the Ur-Dragon.
I wonder if a Scion of the Ur-Dragon toolbox would be worth running. It would probably have Balefire Dragon to kill opposing creatures/stave off damage, Steel Hellkite for removing low-mana problem permanents, Dragon Mage and/or Nicol Bolas to get problem cards out of people's hands/refil my hand/discard combo pieces if I draw them, and Moltensteel Dragon and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon for killing people.
I don't think it's possible, but maybe Worldgorger Dragon combo could be in here as well.
I don't have a whole ton of experience with this deck yet. I've played Hermit Druid decks before, but not this one. It'll be hard to evaluate suggestions right now, but keep them coming!
If they activate Crypt in response to your Hermit Druid activation, it won't mess you up at all. If they do it in response to your Dread Return, use Memory's Journey to shuffle Laboratory Maniac, Pull from Eternity and maybe an answer to Arcum into your library. Try to win by casting Laboratory Maniac and drawing a card.
If you're playing against Arcum a lot, I recommend adding Pithing Needle and Phyrexian Revoker to the deck. Any cheap artifact creature removal like Crumble or Snuff Out is good for blanking their Arcum activation the turn you want to win.
Grafdigger's Cage is much more problematic.
Current List has about 8 flex spots. This list has been very resilient while winning within turns 2-5. After turn 5, hermit Druid hate or graveyard hate I turn to back up combos. Cephalid Breakfast is usually plan B, Survival of the Fittest into Reveillark, Body double, mirror entity combo is Plan C, Food Chain is Plan D or after graveyard hate like Rest In Peace. Many cards have flashback and most of the combo pieces are creature based to make tutoring easy.
After a year of playing the deck here is my list:
http://deck.tk/76Bm6guQ
1 Volcanic Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Plateau
1 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
1 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Marsh Flats
1 Windswept Heath
1 Arid Mesa
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Watery Grave
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Steam Vents
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Breeding Pool
1 Godless Shrine
1 Mana Confluence
1 Command Tower
1 City of Brass
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Coalition Relic
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Simic Signet
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Grim Tutor
1 Hermit Druid
1 Narcomoeba
1 Food Chain
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Angel of Glory's Rise
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Pact of Negation
1 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
1 Swan Song
1 Brainstorm
1 Mind Twist
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Mirror Entity
1 Reveillark
1 Body Double
1 Halimar Excavator
1 Kalastria Healer
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Cephalid Illusionist
1 Nomads en-Kor
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Sylvan Tutor
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Lim-Dûl's Vault
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Wasteland
1 Pull from Eternity
1 Animate Dead
1 Postmortem Lunge
1 Intuition
1 Reanimate
1 Shallow Grave
1 Corpse Dance
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Hull Breach
1 Dread Return
1 Fatestitcher
1 Dregscape Zombie
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Eternal Scourge
1 Misthollow Griffin
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Recruiter of the Guard
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Memory's Journey
1 Unearth
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Echoing Truth
1 Necromancy
1 Sensei's Divining Top
//Sideboard
SB: 1 General Tazri #!Commander
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Legacy
&
Vintage
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)