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    I'm starting to think that BW might be the best use of Land Tax. Blue decks want to get to four mana for Jace and, inevitably, five mana so they can jam force and really control the game. All of the control and disruption in black and white is dirt cheap. You can play the whole game with two mana out.

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    Seems like you could get positive mileage out of land tax with Raven's crime.

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    I think that was more in reference to the shitstorm it caused on forums back in the day. I don't think that guy seriously thinks it's broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondancerbb View Post
    Seems like you could get positive mileage out of land tax with Raven's crime.
    i guess, if you lead with Scrubland every time. If you had basic plains...i don't think you'd have access to enough black mana to make them discard relevant spells.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Re: Land Tax.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    It won't break the format, and it might breed a new deck or two. I like these kind of unbans.
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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    I just realized, why not run a deck that got Land Tax banned from Old Extended?

    You know, that White Weenie deck that used Tax+Rack draw engine.

    I mean we have miles away better white hatebears. Why not right?
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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    I believe the best thing that will come from this will be more unbannings. When the card storm the meta by doing absolutely nothing, maybe the DCI will realize that a lot of the things on their lists is simply worse than things already out.

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    I just realized, why not run a deck that got Land Tax banned from Old Extended?

    You know, that White Weenie deck that used Tax+Rack draw engine.

    I mean we have miles away better white hatebears. Why not right?
    idk what that white weenie decks' creatures were, but were they better than the dudes that Death and Taxes runs right now? Did that deck run Vial? Seems to me that one could just jam tax+ rack with DnT. Thalia and aether vial and port are all synergistic with Tax and DnT is already pretty well positioned in the meta.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    I just realized, why not run a deck that got Land Tax banned from Old Extended?

    You know, that White Weenie deck that used Tax+Rack draw engine.

    I mean we have miles away better white hatebears. Why not right?
    Parfait?

    I think this is subpar really, it shouldn't add anything to the table. It's strong, but it puts you behind. I like to think of this as a Temporal Mastery-esque situation, where it can obviously be nuts, which is good, but at the same time, playing numerous copies in a deck can be bad, in a way that Land Tax sets you back.

    If your opponent goes turn 1 Delver of Secrets, and you drop a Land Tax, your opponent flips Delver, plays a Goose/Ponders, and passes back to you. You get your Land Tax trigger Stifled. What do you do? Essentially, you just wasted your first turn, which could go towards actually trying to beat the god damn Delver, via Thoughtseize, Mother of Runes, etc. (Mentioned by Tony about BW/Deadguy wanting this card), or do you wait one more turn to get your Land Tax trigger potentially Stifled again? Either way, you're really far behind, especially if you kept a 1 lander.

    Edit: One thing is for certain. While people are dicking around trying to break this Model T of a card, I'll be crushing face with Griselbrand all day.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by (nameless one) View Post
    I just realized, why not run a deck that got Land Tax banned from Old Extended?

    You know, that White Weenie deck that used Tax+Rack draw engine.

    I mean we have miles away better white hatebears. Why not right?
    4 Mox diamond
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    20 hatebears

    20 lands (undiscovered paradise is probably between the twenty)

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    EDIT: i'll have fun seeing the rationale of the people that argued this was holy schmoly broken and worse than MM now.

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    Land Tax is going to be awful in Legacy today. It was good maybe fifteen years ago when you could find lands after casting an Armageddon or a Balance. (Loved that deck, by the way.)

    I also heard someone say Land Tax will make Wasteland worse. If you're running that many basics already, Wasteland was already worse to begin with - even without Land Tax.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Yea, the format has sped up since the days of "white weenies, armageddon, land tax in play woohoo!" It will take more to break the card now vs back then, I could see people pushing it in different setups however, threads getting attention already are things like the mighty quinn, death and taxes, U/W control, Parfait between all the places I'm scouring over.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by Antonius View Post
    idk what that white weenie decks' creatures were, but were they better than the dudes that Death and Taxes runs right now? Did that deck run Vial? Seems to me that one could just jam tax+ rack with DnT. Thalia and aether vial and port are all synergistic with Tax and DnT is already pretty well positioned in the meta.
    I played that deck in the old Extended. It ran Empyrial Armor and shadow dudes.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Land Tax is good in formats where the fundamental turn is at least twice what it is in Legacy. The card is close to completely unplayable.
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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    Land Tax is good in formats where the fundamental turn is at least twice what it is in Legacy. The card is close to completely unplayable.
    Yeah the only time I ever see Land Tax being worth it it's is as a 1x running with some number of Enlightened Tutors.
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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes View Post
    Yeah the only time I ever see Land Tax being worth it it's is as a 1x running with some number of Enlightened Tutors.
    And if people want that option, more power to them I say.
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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin View Post
    Land Tax is good in formats where the fundamental turn is at least twice what it is in Legacy. The card is close to completely unplayable.
    These words made me convince Land Tax sucks.

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    Re: June 20th B&R List Update: Land Tax unbanned

    There is also the RW control deck that's been screaming for this card forever. It might finally make a showing since it now has a way to get a small engine online.

    Land Tax was broken in 1995, not so much anymore, but it's still a a decent card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahcmai View Post
    There is also the RW control deck that's been screaming for this card forever. It might finally make a showing since it now has a way to get a small engine online.
    Just out of interest, have you got a decklist for this, please?

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