Sadly i don't own LED either but appreciate the link. Definitely interested but, a long way off..
I have everything for the older style lists but the Goryo's so might try work something out.
LED seems to be the stumbling block to both of the new variants!
One thing I noticed is the first time you drew with Griselbrand you just drew 14 right away. Always draw 7 at a time. When you draw an LED (especially with 14 more cards to come) abandoning those 7 cards for BBB will go a long way to prevent fizzles. Sometimes you even draw two LEDS in those first 7 and can make black and green for wish. You will almost never fizzle from that spot.
Try Corpse Dance in the older lists! I've never tested it there, myself, but seems like a reasonable substitute on a budget. As someone else mentioned, you can't make Griselbrand off of a dark ritual alone with Corpse Dance, but it does have some other advantages. It can reanimate Children of Korlis, which Goryo's Vengeance cannot. Maybe buyback is relevant sometime?
For a reanimation package, I cannot recommend enough the shallow grave/exhume/reanimate picks. All the reanimation spells tag all creatures, except for Emrakul, who is the last of my concerns. It also dodges the nonbo with silent gravestone as sideboarding usually goes an even swap of (reanimate:gravestone).
I can confirm that in my local meta which is a lot of fair decks (D&T, Mav., Delver), silent gravestone has been great.
I can see that, Bizarro stormy is pushed into the all-in turn it seems. I just always liked exhume because it gave me one more way to stick children. For one reason or another it has been easier to stick children than it has to land a griselbrand. That is probably hugely biased because I simply will remember the times that I start to combo and fizzle way more than the times my combo is disrupted so take it with a huge grain of salt.
Confirmation Bias can be very real. :) But what you describe is one reason when ran more Reanimates as well in later lists. Think the last time I played the deck, I was on 4 Shallow Grave, 3 Vengeance, 2 Reanimate. Reanimate was also always pretty good with Mentor out of the sideboard too.
Maindeck Changes:
-2 Thoughtseize, -1 Exhume, -1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
+2 Unmask, +1 Act on Impulse, +1 Laboratory Maniac
-1 Bloodstained Mire, -1 Marsh Flats
+1 Bayou, +1 Gemstone Mine
I've gotten stuck a couple times without being able to discard for free so I swapped 2 thoughtseize for 2 unmasks. I really wanted enchantment hate available again as a BW target, and after swapping AoI in for an Exhume, Reverent Silence had it's spot back. I've noticed miracles decreasing in play a bit, and if Emmy is out of the main, Emmy and SI (the anti-miracles package) can conveniently become Baubles in the sideboard. Also while not ideal, this maindeck config can produce a pass the turn pile if graveyard/storm is cut off.
Current list:
CREATURES (6):
4 Griselbrand
1 Children of Korlis
1 Laboratory Maniac
INSTANTS AND SORCERIES (33):
4 Dark Ritual
4 Entomb
4 Shallow Grave
1 Exhume
1 Unburial Rites
4 Faithless Looting
4 Burning Wish
1 Act on Impulse
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
2 Unmask
OTHER SPELLS (7):
4 Lotus Petal
3 Lion's Eye Diamond
LANDS (14)
2 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Gemstone Mine
2 Swamp
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Marsh Flats
2 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
SIDEBOARD:
WISH TARGETS (8):
1 Exhume
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Stronghold Gambit
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Massacre
1 By Force
1 Reverent Silence
1 Doomsday
DD (7):
3 Doomsday
2 Edge of Autumn
2 Conjurer's Bauble // 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, 1 Shelldock Isle
I do prefer laboratory maniac in the main over emrakul since it plays nice with LED; I also REALLY love killing people with labman. however, i don’t think either should be in the main. Gaddock Teeg is the only card I can think of where you will be able to draw the entire deck but not be able to burning wish for a lethal tendrils. There may be more situations I can’t think of, but not many, especially pre-board where they can’t surgical your wishes. Those corner cases will certainly cost you fewer games than drawing labman over some sort of business spell will. I think that any fins version using wishes should finsh games from the sideboard—it’s one of the advantages in that you have one fewer dead draw.
Edit: I think I get it now. You need labman on wish for doomsday lines. Probably ignore but I’ll leave this up.
Also my default sideboarding has been:
-3 Griselbrand, -1 Exhume, -1 Unburial Rites, -1 Cabal Therapy, -1 Unmask
+3 Doomsday, +2 Edge of Autumn, +2 Conjurer's Bauble
Obviouslly it can be different. Sometimes I'll leave the Therapy and Unmask in and -2 Probe or -2 Shallow Grave. Often times those decisions are based on the opponent and not their deck. Sometimes, entomb -> griselbrand to pressure them to Surgical/FoW is how you turn your entomb into a discard spell.
So a couple friends and I were going through old cards and removing anything valuable for us to sell/trade for more duals/tabernacle. (Side note: HOW are Spore Frog over $2?! Well we pulled out almost 40 of those. Time to crash the market.) When one friend turns to me and goes: "Hey can you fit 1 of these into TinFins?" He was holding Burnt Offering. I reread the card since I forgot what it was, and yeah I'm now trying 1 of those out. If mid combo, I sac Gris for 8 red and/or black mana and it's enough to always kill via Wish. I took out an LED for now, but I'm thinking I want to go back to 3 LED. Am I crazy to try and fit 1 of these in here?
Purely from a flavour perspective; i love it.
Sacrificing children to a burnt offering? Perfect. You could argue Sacrifice does the same job in non-R lists?
Also, on Sporefrog, see both Meren and now Muldrotha in EDH. It's amazing in recursive graveyard decks. The foil is something crazy like $40.
It is a dead card until mid-combo, but boy has it been nice. I'm wondering if it's just overkill and win-more though. On the shallow grave combos it's overkill because storm count only needs to be 7 to Tendrils for 14 with the attack phase. However, on the exhume hands burnt has really been helping when mana gets tight to get the necessary spells off. I'm on the fence and will continue testing.
Yeah we have 4 foil too. More USea's coming in hot! I still think its insanity.
Funny, that card is cool. Richard Cheese and I tested that around 2012 or so. It's... almost good. I found the biggest bottleneck when comboing with Tin Fins is usually initial mana sources, not getting a critical mass of mana. The biggest issue with it is that it doesn't help any of the decks weaknesses, and reinforces it's strengths. It's a sweet card though :)
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