Is Legacy too fast?

[Intet's Attendant]

Want a slower format? Unban Mental Misstep.

Oh right, that made people piss and complain until it got banned for killing their favorite combo and aggro decks.

Well, enjoy your fast format then boys and girls. Now that Misstep is banned you can play any of the 20 combo decks without fear of getting your spells countered.

[Awaclus]

Well, enjoy your fast format then boys and girls. Now that Misstep is banned you can play any of the 20 combo decks without fear of getting your spells countered.

I have no idea where you are getting this picture from. There is one combo deck in the DTB section, one aggro deck, three tempo decks and three control decks. And the combo deck in there also usually runs at least 4 counterspells, and the aggro deck has other means to deal with combo decks. Nowadays playing combo is more difficult than during the MM era.

[CorpT]

People have apparently forgotten what a miserable game Mental Misstep produced.

[Kich867]

People have apparently forgotten what a miserable game Mental Misstep produced.

Miserable how?

[joemauer]

Miserable how?

Like having teeth pulled.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Miserable how?

I remember the one of the tournaments I played in when Misstep was legal, I was playing Merfolk (a respectable deck at the time).

Me, turn 1: Island, Vial
Him: Misstep
Me: Misstep your Misstep
Him: Misstep your Misstep
Me: Daze

Yay legacy? Holy shit I hated that time.

[Julian23]

Misstep was like playing with a forced Mulligan to 5-6 every game. Yeeeeah!

[CorpT]

Now imagine that with Snapcaster in the format. I can't believe people have forgotten this quickly how terrible that format was.

[csy]

how on earth could it be construed that its too fast? smells like troll....

[Nonex]

I remember the one of the tournaments I played in when Misstep was legal, I was playing Merfolk (a respectable deck at the time).

Me, turn 1: Island, Vial
Him: Misstep
Me: Misstep your Misstep
Him: Misstep your Misstep
Me: Daze

Yay legacy? Holy shit I hated that time.

That depends on how you approached things. A good bunch of my games (post-side) were:

Me: Forest, Birds of Paradise
Him: Misstep
Me: Okay, Summoning Trap
Him: ... Okay
Me: Emrakul, go

Maybe not the best metagame, but with good ways to fight it.

[Bignasty197]

That depends on how you approached things. A good bunch of my games (post-side) were:

Me: Forest, Birds of Paradise
Him: Misstep
Me: Okay, Summoning Trap
Him: ... Okay
Me: Emrakul, go

Maybe not the best metagame, but with good ways to fight it.

The format was so miserable with MM in the mix that I seriously almost tried this during that era...It was so obnoxious having Noble Hierarch Misstepped on my turn 1. Now they have to Bolt or Swords it like a normal person.

[(nameless one)]

Why not just play Vintage?

Have y'all seen the Bob, Spell Snare, Mental Misstep, Mental Misstep, Snapcaster Mage flashback Mental Misstep, Gush, Force of Will, Flusterstorm all the spells stack?

[Kich867]

The format was so miserable with MM in the mix that I seriously almost tried this during that era...It was so obnoxious having Noble Hierarch Misstepped on my turn 1. Now they have to Bolt or Swords it like a normal person.

Yeah! Now you have to sacrifice it to their turn 1 emrakul.

Last tournament:

Drop land, pass.
They drop sol land, petal, show and tell, griselbrand, go.

Next game was turn 2 sneak attack emrakul.

[DragoFireheart]

I'd still like to see what Legacy would be like if MM and Snappy were both legal.

[Koby]

Yeah! Now you have to sacrifice it to their turn 1 emrakul.

Last tournament:

Drop land, pass.
They drop sol land, petal, show and tell, griselbrand, go.

Next game was turn 2 sneak attack emrakul.

This is an example of why Force of Will is good at keeping things fair. Unfortunately, it's also an example of Blue being brilliantly over-represented in the metagame. However, this is a discussion for another thread.

[KevinTrudeau]

Just drink some cough syrup!

[menace13]

I loved Misstep and personally feel it was Tom L's parting shot at Eternal. Miss him for that alone. Although he did take away Mystical it was the same feelings of what he wants MtG to be that allowed MM to see print.

Legacy currently isn't that fastest nor the slowest that I have seen in past 3 years.

[Intet's Attendant]

I loved Misstep and personally feel it was Tom L's parting shot at Eternal. Miss him for that alone. Although he did take away Mystical it was the same feelings of what he wants MtG to be that allowed MM to see print.

Legacy currently isn't that fastest nor the slowest that I have seen in past 3 years.

What exactly does Tom want legacy to be? Control mirror matches?

[nedleeds]

Miserable how?

1 cc thing ...

Mistep ...

Mistep your mistep ...

[caiomarcos]

Based on the card pool you'd have to ban A LOT for it to be slower. I'd say powercreep has actually slowed the format down significantly by giving control decks much better tools. Snapcaster, SFM, Lingering Souls, Batterskull, etc. have created a more balanced format by giving the slower control decks tools to give them a niche over the Tempo decks that have always been relatively dominant in Legacy.

You're saying that powercreep gave control decks better tools to become FASTER. Legacy has always been fast, but barring Flash stupidity, I believe it had never been as fast as it is now.

Maybe combo is not as fast, but control is much faster now.