http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/322528713?t=8h12m05s
Do you see the cheat?
For reference, the opponent played clique turn before putting batterskull on bottom, then this guy cliques to kill his opponents clique.
And then he cheats! Best clique ever!
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I'm surprised it even got caught. The commentators didn't even notice it, it was the hive mind (aka Twitter) who caught it and brought it to SCG's attention.
At first, I thought that maybe it was accidental, but when you watch it again and again you can tell it's something he practiced a few times. That and, at that level (I know, it's SCG, but still it's higher than your typical FNM), he should know what he's doing and should have told a judge if he realized error.
My friend was in 9th place when this happened. So she ends up getting the 8th place price because of Eldon's cheat...but didn't get to participate in the Top 8.
Don't Hate the Herd
That does suck she didn't get to participate, but it's also a pretty impressive response from the judging staff. They were awfully quick to indict and DQ.
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
Well, they do have it on video and after the whole Alex-what's-his-face shenanigans last year, they probably feel the whole legitimacy of the SCG circuit is at stake.
Unless you think it was an innocent mistake?
Personally, I haven't watch the video yet (it won't come through at work).
It took me 3 times to finally saw what happened.
Contragts to scg to the measures taken.
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It seems too well done to be a mistake.
The whole thing is documented here: http://blog.andreashubert.com/?p=22
Calling for a lifetime ban (like that blog post does) is ridiculous though.
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
It boggles my mind how some people have the steel balls to pull a stunt like that off under a camera they know is there.
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Agreed.
If they gave Alex B 18 months (and he cheated his way to a series championship, defrauding who knows how many people along the way AND he had a documented history of cheating and prior complaints), I cannot see this guy's ban being any longer than that (unless there's been a change in policy).
Thanks for the link! It does a very good job explaining it all :)
Why is it ridiculous? I think all cheaters should get a lifetime ban as long as it can be proven the cheat was intentional and malicious. We don't need those kind of people playing this game - and knowing that being caught cheating would result in a lifetime ban would probably make people immediately reconsidering cheating.
Don't Hate the Herd
I think that it's just that they're stupid and desperate to win. The people watching these videos catch so many cheats, as we have seen several times in the past.
Does anyone have a link to official action that SCG has taken?
I don't want cheaters any where near the game either. But it's ridiculous because:
1) It is way out of line for what the DCI has done in the past.
2) It really isn't fair to ban someone for a lifetime for one action. We don't do that for most actual crimes. I'm not sure why we would do it for this when there is less of a justice system and more of a judge/jury/executioner.
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
This is the best that there is I believe:
https://twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/sta...50099943161857
https://twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/sta...73801459011584
https://twitter.com/mtgRikipedia/sta...74365790035968
Tom? Is that you? I thought you were going to go work on DnD?
Shit...Jon Eldon is still listed in the "Top 8 Profiles" section of the SCG: Detroit Legacy coverage. They haven't taken him down yet, or even added a notation that he was disqualified for cheating.
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/..._profiles.html
Don't Hate the Herd
I think there is a bigger issue about how to deal with cheaters who are captured on camera. How do you deal with them in an effective and efficient manner? Given the result, where someone was denied a top 8 spot, it's obvious that this wasn't dealt with in an efficient manner.
We now have an ecosystem where big events are simulcast online, complete with the realtime feedback of twitter, you have thousands of "judges" critiquing the match. How should TOs, Judges, and WOTC handle these things?
How do you find the top 8 profiles before they've posted them on the coverage archives?
I'm sure they will edit it to "Top 7" as soon as the coverage archive guy calls the webpage guy. I will be fixed within a day or two.
I think Starcity handled it very well. Twitter did its part, I retweeted the initial video find along with many folks, and they DQ'ed the guy after they found out + reviewed the tape. All of it was done in a timely manner.
The head judge announced his findings after we saw the first round of Top 8.
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Samuel Friedman is a regular at my LGS and he mentioned that his opponent asked "where are the cameras pointing?" immediately before the match. Funny how sketchy that sounds in retrospect.
Thanks!
For me, I think cheating should be dealt with harshly once it has been verified. I think cheating is extremely bad for the game's image and it's good for WoTC / TO's to aggressively seek out and deal with cheaters.
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