What's with you Germans and your Brainstorm aversion? Last time this Erdverschlinga guy was spamming those "ban Brainstorm plx" Posts in every thread and now it's you (if you are different persons anyway).
Cannot you just discuss about the given topic, instead of turning everything into "mimimi blue"?
A German vs. Austrian... Isn't this how World War One started? (which led to German 'nationalism' of Adolf Hitler which sparked World War Two)
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forumsOriginally Posted by Kyle
Good point.
Banning Brainstorm in Legacy is equivalent to killing Jews.
No, World War I started when an Austrian (Ferdinand) was assassinated by Gavrilo Princip (whose nationality really depends on how you quantify it, but wasn't German). So it was really a Serbian vs. Austrian, or Yugoslavian vs. Austrian, or Bosnian vs. Austrian, or Austrian vs. Austrian, (like I said, really depends on how you quantify it), but wasn't German vs. Austrian.
I don't think Enchantress or lands is bad for the deck. They have about the same clock Miracles has but they lack counterspells, Entreat, Jace, and Cbalance. Setting up Cb lock on Enchantress for 2 and 3 with a Fow or Cspell in hand will beat Confinement, O-Ring, and Lets you save the counters for Replenish.
I havent played much against Lands with Miracles, but the 2 matches I did play they couldnt really beat Turn 4 Jace or Entreat EoT.
10/10.
I bet this is why UW Control = Israeli flag
What a fucking fuck?!
Step away for one minute and Godwin's Law is invoked.
Please keep the discussion to Miracles and archetypes utilizing Miracles. This is not the thread to discuss the merits of Brainstorm.
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Or comparing Brainstorm to Jews, for that matter.
@ Lands vs. Miracles
Ports hurt a bunch, as do recurring Wastelands and Ghost Quarters. Setting up Glacial Chasm lock is also pretty fun. EE kills the Angels. I mean, Counterbalance on 2 mucks the Loam party, but that's why you run Crucible in the main and Krosan Grips in the board. Negating all of your creature removal seems super fun.
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The only reason miracles exist as a topic in Legacy is because 4 x Brainstorm is legal. Without it these cards would be marginal. Something like Terminus as a four of would be unheard of if Jacestorm we the only viable way to get it out of your hand and onto your library. Miracles are married to Brainstorm in legacy.
It's not so much Enchantress as a whole as much as some of the silver bullets. Carpet of Flowers and Choke are pretty nasty. Suppression Field would be a boss as well*. All of those cards could probably be run in other decks though, with just a bit of tinkering.
*Suppression Field is really a card whose situation mystifies me. It has an effect that is completely unique, very powerful, and incredibly relevant in Eternal formats. Yet it has so little use that it is a five cent uncommon from a long out of print set. I have half a mind to buy up every single one on the market, just to see what would happen.
I feel Suppression Field has the same issue that Rest In Peace will probably have: While it's incredibly powerful against certain decks, it doesn't get played much because the decks that actually can use it (White decks) will usually be hurt by it also.
I fail to see how this justifies the "Ban Brainstorm" rants.
Back to history class.
He didn't rant. He presented a coherent argument.
This is very true, really I did this match-up yesterday (and note my Lands deck is short two Tropical Islands which means I run a basic Island and another Bayou), after getting Cliqued twice for both my loams I drew another one and essentially took control of the game from there with Wasteland locking my opponent and a Crucible on board, he resolved Counterbalance once (costing him a brainstorm) which was immediately followed by an EE on 2 for 3 mana (as he countered my loam previously). Granted this match-up may never finish game 2 or even game 1 because it is really long unless either player gets the nuts draw
Stax goes similarly where an early Chalice followed by Sundial lock = gg
I shudder at the thought of Miracles Vs Enchantress
Miracles as a whole from what I have seen is weak to prison style control decks and discard
Can Miracles even win through Solitary Confinement followed by Words of War for the kill?
As I have said earlier I think we are just seeing the rise of control again in Legacy, which is fine I just sometimes like to finish game 2
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I wouldn't put RIP and Suppression Field on the same level.
RIP has an immediate effect on the game state, being a Morningtide, AND provides a lasting, devestating effect against graveyard-based decks.
Suppression Field, however, sucks - hard. If you don't play it early enough, it doesn't do much to affect the board situation and can easily be dismissed, resulting in a dead card. It would be much better as a hate bear.
Aside from that, its symmetry breaks it. The trade-off to abandon activated abilities simply isn't worth it, while decks can function properly without abusing the graveyard.
The decks that crush miracles all have great value ... thus they get played less.
Yeah, it is hard to break the symmetry of the card, but I still feel there is room for some sort of archetype that takes advantage of cards like Suppression Field effectively. It's such a powerful effect; there must be some way to really make use of it.
It's pretty damn hard for them to beat Solitary lock plus a win con, but it's also hard to get to that state in game 1. Their removal (Terminus, O-Ring, Banishing Stroke) is actually relevant against you and Counterbalance is nastier against Enchantress than it used to be on account of the wider CMC range they play.
Games 2&3 are much easier with a good sideboard, but time issues pose a big problem in winning the match. If it took 30+ minutes to lose game 1, the Miracle player can easily force a match win or draw while still playing completely within the rules.
Are you being snarky or are you trying to make a point? I honestly can't tell.
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I never had problems against Enchantress playing U/W CounterTop Planeswalker. Now with Miracles giving an answer to a resolved Enchantress, Entreat giving the deck a much faster clock, and Detention Sphere as an upgrade to Oblivion Ring... I'm not sure why the matchup would suddenly become awful.
Postboard can go either way depending on eachother's sideboards. If Miracles has nothing relevant to bring in vs Enchantress but Enchantress has a handful of good cards to bring in, that's obviously going to change the dyanmics of the matchup. Miracles does have access to some nasty Enchantress hate though, whether it be flashing back Disenchants (since Erase is too narrow), Aura of Silence, or the real backbreaker... Serenity. Of course, Engineered Explosives or more Detention Spheres work too, with the additional 2 Sphere's being good against Show and Tell (and relevant almost everywhere else).
Miracles gets wrecked by Standstill. Granted, no one plays that shit anymore but it could see a resurgence with Supreme Verdict. The card isn't even out yet and we haven't even played with it but I think when it does, the UW supertype will have a very interesting debate about whether Uncounterable is better or worse than 1cmc. And if the format really slows down and UW maintains its popularity we might see people start tooling up for the mirror with Ancestral Visions or little jace or even Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir. I'm all for a slow format. I just can't stand that two card combo bullshit.
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