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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by cdnza View Post
    Not sure how Oboro lets you hardcast Force

    I have always loved that card since Kami block though. Let us know how the list does in your tests and please also join the 12post discord!
    I mean, you technically still could if you did it before you cast the spell during your turn. But yes, that was a little bit of a derp

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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Hi guys,
    What do you think of Emmy v2 ? I found her very underwhelming so far.

    Maybe the other Kozilek (repeatable draw with Karakas + reshuffle trigger), or even World breaker, may be more decisive ?
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    hello to everybody!

    Long time i didnt write to this thread, but was watching

    I want to share my monoG list, that me an Marcel are testing a lot at online in the moment:

    // 61 Maindeck
    // 10 Artifact
    3 Candelabra of Tawnos
    4 Expedition Map
    3 Pithing Needle

    // 4 Creature
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
    1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
    1 Emrakul, the Promised End

    // 2 Enchantment
    2 Sylvan Library

    // 4 Instant
    4 Crop Rotation

    // 29 Land
    1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    7 Forest
    1 Dark Depths
    1 Thespian's Stage
    1 Bojuka Bog
    3 Maze of Ith
    1 Karakas
    4 Glimmerpost
    1 Eye of Ugin
    4 Cloudpost
    3 Vesuva
    1 Glacial Chasm
    1 Ancient Tomb

    // 2 Planeswalker
    2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

    // 10 Sorcery
    4 Ancient Stirrings
    4 Explore
    2 All Is Dust


    // 15 Sideboard
    // 7 Artifact
    SB: 3 Sphere of Resistance
    SB: 2 Trinisphere
    SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb

    // 3 Creature
    SB: 3 Thought-Knot Seer

    // 5 Instant
    SB: 3 Krosan Grip
    SB: 2 Surgical Extraction


    what do i miss in main:
    1 more land(8th forest, 4th vesuva or second tomb)

    1-2 Little Karn
    1-2 Big Karn
    but not sure about them at all

    i like my current 61 in main. Explores are awesome. They help in all our plans - ramp, defense, kill

    Tomb in main looks very important

    what do i miss in side:
    4th TKS

    more grave hate

    thinking about changing Grips into Naturalize

    blue traps

    If tomorrow will be a GP i, probably, will go monoG posts (=

    i will keep testing and write more my thoughts about the list

    BTW, yesterday Marcel shared interesting list from Japan:
    Mainboard Cards(60)
    Lands(27)
    1
    《Bojuka Bog》
    1
    《Cavern of Souls》
    4
    《Cloudpost》
    1
    《Eye of Ugin》
    10
    《Forest》
    4
    《Glimmerpost》
    1
    《Karakas》
    1
    《The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale》
    4
    《Vesuva》
    Creatures(16)
    4
    《Elvish Rejuvenator》
    4
    《Thought-Knot Seer》
    4
    《Primeval Titan》
    1
    《World Breaker》
    1
    《Kozilek, Butcher of Truth》
    1
    《Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger》
    1
    《Emrakul, the Aeons Torn》
    Spells(17)
    3
    《Ancient Stirrings》
    2
    《Candelabra of Tawnos》
    4
    《Crop Rotation》
    3
    《Expedition Map》
    3
    《Summoning Trap》
    2
    《Ugin, the Spirit Dragon》
    Sideboard Cards(15)
    2
    《Pithing Needle》
    2
    《Sphere of Resistance》
    2
    《Thorn of Amethyst》
    4
    《Krosan Grip》
    4
    《Leyline of the Void》
    1
    《Ancient Tomb》

    I think it deserves to be think about

    see u, friends! (=
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    With these 4 Explore / 61 cards, you may really want to play the 8th forest.

    Personnally Big Karn has been good to me so far as a 1 of (but I just played like 20 hours or something with the deck).
    He is a good MD answer to colorless permanents.
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by ParisFlorian View Post
    Hi guys,
    What do you think of Emmy v2 ? I found her very underwhelming so far.

    Maybe the other Kozilek (repeatable draw with Karakas + reshuffle trigger), or even World breaker, may be more decisive ?
    I’m still testing with her in k_omega’s list, and I’m undecided. She seems very situational. I’ve both won and lost games after casting her.

    Kozilek 1.0 would probably be my go-to replacement if I don’t stick with her. I definitely miss his reshuffle trigger, especially against blue decks where he’s liable to get countered. He’s also better against Sneak & Show, since his annihilator will beat their Emrakul most of the time.


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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Loxmatii View Post
    hello to everybody!

    Long time i didnt write to this thread, but was watching

    I want to share my monoG list, that me an Marcel are testing a lot at online in the moment:

    // 61 Maindeck
    // 10 Artifact
    3 Candelabra of Tawnos
    4 Expedition Map
    3 Pithing Needle

    // 4 Creature
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
    1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
    1 Emrakul, the Promised End

    // 2 Enchantment
    2 Sylvan Library

    // 4 Instant
    4 Crop Rotation

    // 29 Land
    1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    7 Forest
    1 Dark Depths
    1 Thespian's Stage
    1 Bojuka Bog
    3 Maze of Ith
    1 Karakas
    4 Glimmerpost
    1 Eye of Ugin
    4 Cloudpost
    3 Vesuva
    1 Glacial Chasm
    1 Ancient Tomb

    // 2 Planeswalker
    2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

    // 10 Sorcery
    4 Ancient Stirrings
    4 Explore
    2 All Is Dust


    // 15 Sideboard
    // 7 Artifact
    SB: 3 Sphere of Resistance
    SB: 2 Trinisphere
    SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb

    // 3 Creature
    SB: 3 Thought-Knot Seer

    // 5 Instant
    SB: 3 Krosan Grip
    SB: 2 Surgical Extraction


    what do i miss in main:
    1 more land(8th forest, 4th vesuva or second tomb)

    1-2 Little Karn
    1-2 Big Karn
    but not sure about them at all

    i like my current 61 in main. Explores are awesome. They help in all our plans - ramp, defense, kill

    Tomb in main looks very important

    what do i miss in side:
    4th TKS

    more grave hate

    thinking about changing Grips into Naturalize

    blue traps

    If tomorrow will be a GP i, probably, will go monoG posts (=

    i will keep testing and write more my thoughts about the list

    BTW, yesterday Marcel shared interesting list from Japan:
    Mainboard Cards(60)
    Lands(27)
    1
    《Bojuka Bog》
    1
    《Cavern of Souls》
    4
    《Cloudpost》
    1
    《Eye of Ugin》
    10
    《Forest》
    4
    《Glimmerpost》
    1
    《Karakas》
    1
    《The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale》
    4
    《Vesuva》
    Creatures(16)
    4
    《Elvish Rejuvenator》
    4
    《Thought-Knot Seer》
    4
    《Primeval Titan》
    1
    《World Breaker》
    1
    《Kozilek, Butcher of Truth》
    1
    《Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger》
    1
    《Emrakul, the Aeons Torn》
    Spells(17)
    3
    《Ancient Stirrings》
    2
    《Candelabra of Tawnos》
    4
    《Crop Rotation》
    3
    《Expedition Map》
    3
    《Summoning Trap》
    2
    《Ugin, the Spirit Dragon》
    Sideboard Cards(15)
    2
    《Pithing Needle》
    2
    《Sphere of Resistance》
    2
    《Thorn of Amethyst》
    4
    《Krosan Grip》
    4
    《Leyline of the Void》
    1
    《Ancient Tomb》

    I think it deserves to be think about

    see u, friends! (=
    I’m not a huge fan of Ancient Tomb in these lists. It only powers out the 4x Sphere/Thorn that make a major difference on Turn 1 (Ratchet Bomb really only matters on turn 1 if they go Empty the Warrens, but you’ve got Tabernacle for that). IMO, it’s not worth the slot (especially main) if you’re not also running Warping Wail to fight combo. I think you’d be better off with a 4th Vesuva in the 1st list or a Ratchet Bomb in the 2nd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zotmaster View Post
    Call me a "get off my lawn" guy, but I hate hate hate hate Discord so I tend to not use it :(
    I'm the same way with Facebook so I'm not in the 12 Post group there. I wonder if there's a way to automatically assemble posts from Discord and FB and put them in a digest here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ParisFlorian View Post
    Hi guys,
    What do you think of Emmy v2 ? I found her very underwhelming so far.

    Maybe the other Kozilek (repeatable draw with Karakas + reshuffle trigger), or even World breaker, may be more decisive ?
    I would not even consider World Breaker over Old Kozilek or New Emrakul. The likely targets either make it more difficult to cast (Moon, B2B) or are intended to lock you out while beating down (Chalice). In either case you probably lose before getting to World Breaker mana.

    Would 5 Eldrazi be too many in a Cg list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loxmatii View Post
    hello to everybody!

    Long time i didnt write to this thread, but was watching

    I want to share my monoG list, that me an Marcel are testing a lot at online in the moment:

    // 61 Maindeck
    // 10 Artifact
    3 Candelabra of Tawnos
    4 Expedition Map
    3 Pithing Needle

    // 4 Creature
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
    1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
    1 Emrakul, the Promised End

    // 2 Enchantment
    2 Sylvan Library

    // 4 Instant
    4 Crop Rotation

    // 29 Land
    1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    7 Forest
    1 Dark Depths
    1 Thespian's Stage
    1 Bojuka Bog
    3 Maze of Ith
    1 Karakas
    4 Glimmerpost
    1 Eye of Ugin
    4 Cloudpost
    3 Vesuva
    1 Glacial Chasm
    1 Ancient Tomb

    // 2 Planeswalker
    2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

    // 10 Sorcery
    4 Ancient Stirrings
    4 Explore
    2 All Is Dust


    // 15 Sideboard
    // 7 Artifact
    SB: 3 Sphere of Resistance
    SB: 2 Trinisphere
    SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb

    // 3 Creature
    SB: 3 Thought-Knot Seer

    // 5 Instant
    SB: 3 Krosan Grip
    SB: 2 Surgical Extraction


    what do i miss in main:
    1 more land(8th forest, 4th vesuva or second tomb)

    1-2 Little Karn
    1-2 Big Karn
    but not sure about them at all

    i like my current 61 in main. Explores are awesome. They help in all our plans - ramp, defense, kill

    Tomb in main looks very important

    what do i miss in side:
    4th TKS

    more grave hate

    thinking about changing Grips into Naturalize

    blue traps

    If tomorrow will be a GP i, probably, will go monoG posts (=

    i will keep testing and write more my thoughts about the list
    Some questions for you:
    1. You have 14 green spells and only 7 Forests. Do you have trouble casting the green cards?
    2. How much does not having the 4th Candelabra hurt the deck?
    3. How often is the maindeck Dark Depths helpful?
    4. Have you ever tested little Karn? It's on my list of possible cards but it's a low priority because I think there's too much risk of exiling an important 1-of and not being able to get it back. I'm wondering if you have had that problem.
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by k_omega View Post
    I would not even consider World Breaker over Old Kozilek or New Emrakul. The likely targets either make it more difficult to cast (Moon, B2B) or are intended to lock you out while beating down (Chalice). In either case you probably lose before getting to World Breaker mana.

    Would 5 Eldrazi be too many in a Cg list?
    I think there is room for both old Kozi & new Emmy indeed.
    And you are probably right about World Breaker... I am just trying to find ways to improve our stompy MUs (I basically keep losing against Eldrazi stompy, and Steel / Moon stompy are bad as well).
    I feel like Kgrips and Ratchet bombs are generally not enough.
    Since we have to deal with Chalice and other suff, a (possibly colorless) board and some annoying Spyglasses post side, I want want to board in something like Oblivion Stone. Any thoughts about this one ?

    Florian
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by ParisFlorian View Post
    I think there is room for both old Kozi & new Emmy indeed.
    And you are probably right about World Breaker... I am just trying to find ways to improve our stompy MUs (I basically keep losing against Eldrazi stompy, and Steel / Moon stompy are bad as well).
    I feel like Kgrips and Ratchet bombs are generally not enough.
    Since we have to deal with Chalice and other suff, a (possibly colorless) board and some annoying Spyglasses post side, I want want to board in something like Oblivion Stone. Any thoughts about this one ?

    Florian
    Oblivion Stone is a fine option. I’ve run it over an All Is Dust precisely because it helps with the various Stompy matchups. In general, however, Oblivion Stone is worse against the rest of the field than Dust because: (1) it destroys your stuff too (especially Needles) unless you invest a turn on a fate counter, (2) can be removed before you get to use it, and (3) doesn’t hit indestructible stuff (doesn’t usually come up, but is occasionally relevant, (4) requires 8 mana to use immediately (although being able to split 3/5 compensates), (5) doesn’t get a discount from Eye, and (6) can be Stifled. So if you expect a lot of Stompy, Oblivion Stone is a good option; if not, you’re better off with Dust.


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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by ParisFlorian View Post
    I think there is room for both old Kozi & new Emmy indeed.
    And you are probably right about World Breaker... I am just trying to find ways to improve our stompy MUs (I basically keep losing against Eldrazi stompy, and Steel / Moon stompy are bad as well).
    I feel like Kgrips and Ratchet bombs are generally not enough.
    Since we have to deal with Chalice and other suff, a (possibly colorless) board and some annoying Spyglasses post side, I want want to board in something like Oblivion Stone. Any thoughts about this one ?

    Florian
    I've thought O-Stone could be good. I'm not sure how I'd make room for it though. I didn't get to play this week so I'm hoping to be able to take the deck out at the weekend.

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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Quote Originally Posted by k_omega View Post
    Some questions for you:
    1. You have 14 green spells and only 7 Forests. Do you have trouble casting the green cards?
    2. How much does not having the 4th Candelabra hurt the deck?
    3. How often is the maindeck Dark Depths helpful?
    4. Have you ever tested little Karn? It's on my list of possible cards but it's a low priority because I think there's too much risk of exiling an important 1-of and not being able to get it back. I'm wondering if you have had that problem.
    Hey (=

    1. Very rare. in 90% of games it is ok. But i am thinking a lot a about 8th forest. yes

    2. I have tested a lot 4 candelabras. And my tests shows, that 3 are very ok and i dont need the 4th one, thats why it is not in the watch list

    3. in many games it is free win. They dont expect it from us. And because we are often play like control deck - fast win is a good plan. Plus i like 4 explore very much. Thats why DD plan often works

    4. I tested it instead of 2 Libraries and recent test sessions shows, that Libraries are better then Karn. Because stable turn 2 and because many cards right now, not tomorrow. I am totally agree with u about a risk of exiling an important card, thats why i tried Libraries. And i am very happy with them right now

    I continue testing sessions. Now my goal is to stabilize the sideboard
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    Hey everyone! Just a reminder that I'll be doing 12 hours of 12-Post tomorrow as part of a 24 hour stream for Extra Life! I have a lot of the lists from here as well as a few (s)hit brews of my own. Come by, say hi, laugh at my misplays, and maybe even suggest some other crazy brews for me to try! The stream will start at 9:30 AM EST at http://www.twitch.tv/zotmaster . There's also a link to the donation page if you want to be awesome and donate: I'll be raising money for Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital in Cleveland, Ohio. Hope to see you tomorrow!
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    @k_omega:

    Random question: How many Scion tokens would you consider adequate to carry with your deck?


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    Never played more than 3.

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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    I took the 8-Forest, 3-Wail version to FNM today, also swapping Promised End for Butcher of Truth. I faced Storm twice so it was a bad week to cut a Wail. Not having Promised End to cast for 9 mana came up once but did not lead to a loss. I used a different art for the 8th Forest to track when it came up, which revealed that it did not affect any mulligan decisions. Obviously the sample size is small though.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube View Post
    @k_omega:

    Random question: How many Scion tokens would you consider adequate to carry with your deck?
    I carry 4 now that I'm playing From Beyond. I used to use only 2. Even with From Beyond I've never actually needed more than 3.
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    Re: [Deck] 12 Post

    U/G Post reached the Top4 of the recent MKM Series (Europa) Zaragoza.

    http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/cov...a-2018-legacy/

    Pretty interesting.
    Would like to know his matchups throughout the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHerC View Post
    U/G Post reached the Top4 of the recent MKM Series (Europa) Zaragoza.

    http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/cov...a-2018-legacy/

    Pretty interesting.
    Would like to know his matchups throughout the day.
    Thank you,i just put simplier insight for Sunday Legacy event in Zaragoza

    i started with 2 byes for 8 rounds so that was much easier to reach top .

    3:0 round 3 Rug threshold (won 2:0)sided out 3 maps,1 vesuva,1 scroll rack and sided in 1 crop. rot.1 relic 1 needle,2 carpets
    4:0 round 4 Goblins (won 2:0) sided out 2 maps, bojuka,3 flusters and side in 1 crop,1 needle,2 ballistas,2 krosans
    5:0 round 5 BR reanimator( won 2:0) (first game opp mull to 4) sided out cavern,1 glimmerp.,3 show and tells,glacial chasm,1 map and side in 3 sanctity leylines,2 surgicals,1 crop,1 relic
    6:0 round 6 Show&Tell (won 2:1) (second game opp mull to 5) sided out 3 show&tells,3 crops ,bojuka,1 cloud post and chasm sided in 3 krosans,2 surgicals,2 carpets,1 needle,1 relic
    last two turns i just made to draw it
    in top 8
    quarterfinals Rg lands (2:0 won) sided out cavern,2 flusters,1 map,1 cloudpost 1 scroll rack and sided in 2 krosans,2 surgicals,1relic,1 needle
    semifinals Grixis Delver( lost 0:2) sided out bojuka,2 crops,1 vesuva,1scroll rack,1 map and sided in 2 ballistas,2 carpets ,1 relic ,1needle . i can say he had everything both games started with two wastelands ,1-2 forces ,disruption spells and delver turn one flipped of course :)) otherwise deck was going properly and i enjoyed it a lot .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drixx View Post
    Thank you,i just put simplier insight for Sunday Legacy event in Zaragoza

    i started with 2 byes for 8 rounds so that was much easier to reach top .

    3:0 round 3 Rug threshold (won 2:0)sided out 3 maps,1 vesuva,1 scroll rack and sided in 1 crop. rot.1 relic 1 needle,2 carpets
    4:0 round 4 Goblins (won 2:0) sided out 2 maps, bojuka,3 flusters and side in 1 crop,1 needle,2 ballistas,2 krosans
    5:0 round 5 BR reanimator( won 2:0) (first game opp mull to 4) sided out cavern,1 glimmerp.,3 show and tells,glacial chasm,1 map and side in 3 sanctity leylines,2 surgicals,1 crop,1 relic
    6:0 round 6 Show&Tell (won 2:1) (second game opp mull to 5) sided out 3 show&tells,3 crops ,bojuka,1 cloud post and chasm sided in 3 krosans,2 surgicals,2 carpets,1 needle,1 relic
    last two turns i just made to draw it
    in top 8
    quarterfinals Rg lands (2:0 won) sided out cavern,2 flusters,1 map,1 cloudpost 1 scroll rack and sided in 2 krosans,2 surgicals,1relic,1 needle
    semifinals Grixis Delver( lost 0:2) sided out bojuka,2 crops,1 vesuva,1scroll rack,1 map and sided in 2 ballistas,2 carpets ,1 relic ,1needle . i can say he had everything both games started with two wastelands ,1-2 forces ,disruption spells and delver turn one flipped of course :)) otherwise deck was going properly and i enjoyed it a lot .
    Congrats on the finish! Excellent job. Did you win a candelabra or something ?
    Can you describe how you use scroll rack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechTactical View Post
    Congrats on the finish! Excellent job. Did you win a candelabra or something ?
    Can you describe how you use scroll rack?
    thank you, i didn't won any such a price like Candelabra that would fine won only credit that cover little bit my weekend but it's fine .

    scroll rack can more fix your hand and very change your plan in the game you can exchange your no needed cards and fetch it out ,its more comperable with brainstorm sometime you can switch all your cards,also it can face chalice of the void or red blast and cc is fine with cloudpost and you can stay on colorless mana sometime it's necessary . It won me few matches ussually to keep ramp just finding lands and other spells keep on the top. In late game if you are under heavy discard and liliana of the veil that's worse but still you can switch your drawed card . I'm wondering why it was not used before also in other versions or maybe i just miss it here .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drixx View Post
    thank you, i didn't won any such a price like Candelabra that would fine won only credit that cover little bit my weekend but it's fine .

    scroll rack can more fix your hand and very change your plan in the game you can exchange your no needed cards and fetch it out ,its more comperable with brainstorm sometime you can switch all your cards,also it can face chalice of the void or red blast and cc is fine with cloudpost and you can stay on colorless mana sometime it's necessary . It won me few matches ussually to keep ramp just finding lands and other spells keep on the top. In late game if you are under heavy discard and liliana of the veil that's worse but still you can switch your drawed card . I'm wondering why it was not used before also in other versions or maybe i just miss it here .
    Thanks for your thoughts. I tested with it shortly after sdt ban. I tested with 3-4 (i think it was an ancient tomb build with WW and Plat) and I didn't like it back then. Prob. Two is the right number I got rack flooded too often I think. Your build also seems to support rack with cards like fluster one tends to hang back, which means one has enough cards in hand to use the thing. I really dislike when I top deck into it (no cards in hand), ponder still shines there, but a 2/2 ponder/rack split maybe the right balance for post. I'm not happy with 4x ponder either. Like you said Top would be the best solution.

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