Yes, you probably need Candelabra if you're running a Cloudpost deck.
Hi guys,
What do you think of Emmy v2 ? I found her very underwhelming so far.
Maybe the other Kozilek (repeatable draw with Karakas + reshuffle trigger), or even World breaker, may be more decisive ?
Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
hello to everybody!
Long time i didnt write to this thread, but was watching
I want to share my monoG list, that me an Marcel are testing a lot at online in the moment:
// 61 Maindeck
// 10 Artifact
3 Candelabra of Tawnos
4 Expedition Map
3 Pithing Needle
// 4 Creature
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
// 2 Enchantment
2 Sylvan Library
// 4 Instant
4 Crop Rotation
// 29 Land
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
7 Forest
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Maze of Ith
1 Karakas
4 Glimmerpost
1 Eye of Ugin
4 Cloudpost
3 Vesuva
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Ancient Tomb
// 2 Planeswalker
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
// 10 Sorcery
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Explore
2 All Is Dust
// 15 Sideboard
// 7 Artifact
SB: 3 Sphere of Resistance
SB: 2 Trinisphere
SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb
// 3 Creature
SB: 3 Thought-Knot Seer
// 5 Instant
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
what do i miss in main:
1 more land(8th forest, 4th vesuva or second tomb)
1-2 Little Karn
1-2 Big Karn
but not sure about them at all
i like my current 61 in main. Explores are awesome. They help in all our plans - ramp, defense, kill
Tomb in main looks very important
what do i miss in side:
4th TKS
more grave hate
thinking about changing Grips into Naturalize
blue traps
If tomorrow will be a GP i, probably, will go monoG posts (=
i will keep testing and write more my thoughts about the list
BTW, yesterday Marcel shared interesting list from Japan:
Mainboard Cards(60)
Lands(27)
1
《Bojuka Bog》
1
《Cavern of Souls》
4
《Cloudpost》
1
《Eye of Ugin》
10
《Forest》
4
《Glimmerpost》
1
《Karakas》
1
《The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale》
4
《Vesuva》
Creatures(16)
4
《Elvish Rejuvenator》
4
《Thought-Knot Seer》
4
《Primeval Titan》
1
《World Breaker》
1
《Kozilek, Butcher of Truth》
1
《Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger》
1
《Emrakul, the Aeons Torn》
Spells(17)
3
《Ancient Stirrings》
2
《Candelabra of Tawnos》
4
《Crop Rotation》
3
《Expedition Map》
3
《Summoning Trap》
2
《Ugin, the Spirit Dragon》
Sideboard Cards(15)
2
《Pithing Needle》
2
《Sphere of Resistance》
2
《Thorn of Amethyst》
4
《Krosan Grip》
4
《Leyline of the Void》
1
《Ancient Tomb》
I think it deserves to be think about
see u, friends! (=
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With these 4 Explore / 61 cards, you may really want to play the 8th forest.
Personnally Big Karn has been good to me so far as a 1 of (but I just played like 20 hours or something with the deck).
He is a good MD answer to colorless permanents.
Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
I’m still testing with her in k_omega’s list, and I’m undecided. She seems very situational. I’ve both won and lost games after casting her.
Kozilek 1.0 would probably be my go-to replacement if I don’t stick with her. I definitely miss his reshuffle trigger, especially against blue decks where he’s liable to get countered. He’s also better against Sneak & Show, since his annihilator will beat their Emrakul most of the time.
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I’m not a huge fan of Ancient Tomb in these lists. It only powers out the 4x Sphere/Thorn that make a major difference on Turn 1 (Ratchet Bomb really only matters on turn 1 if they go Empty the Warrens, but you’ve got Tabernacle for that). IMO, it’s not worth the slot (especially main) if you’re not also running Warping Wail to fight combo. I think you’d be better off with a 4th Vesuva in the 1st list or a Ratchet Bomb in the 2nd.
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I'm the same way with Facebook so I'm not in the 12 Post group there. I wonder if there's a way to automatically assemble posts from Discord and FB and put them in a digest here.
I would not even consider World Breaker over Old Kozilek or New Emrakul. The likely targets either make it more difficult to cast (Moon, B2B) or are intended to lock you out while beating down (Chalice). In either case you probably lose before getting to World Breaker mana.
Would 5 Eldrazi be too many in a Cg list?
Some questions for you:
- You have 14 green spells and only 7 Forests. Do you have trouble casting the green cards?
- How much does not having the 4th Candelabra hurt the deck?
- How often is the maindeck Dark Depths helpful?
- Have you ever tested little Karn? It's on my list of possible cards but it's a low priority because I think there's too much risk of exiling an important 1-of and not being able to get it back. I'm wondering if you have had that problem.
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I think there is room for both old Kozi & new Emmy indeed.
And you are probably right about World Breaker... I am just trying to find ways to improve our stompy MUs (I basically keep losing against Eldrazi stompy, and Steel / Moon stompy are bad as well).
I feel like Kgrips and Ratchet bombs are generally not enough.
Since we have to deal with Chalice and other suff, a (possibly colorless) board and some annoying Spyglasses post side, I want want to board in something like Oblivion Stone. Any thoughts about this one ?
Florian
Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
Oblivion Stone is a fine option. I’ve run it over an All Is Dust precisely because it helps with the various Stompy matchups. In general, however, Oblivion Stone is worse against the rest of the field than Dust because: (1) it destroys your stuff too (especially Needles) unless you invest a turn on a fate counter, (2) can be removed before you get to use it, and (3) doesn’t hit indestructible stuff (doesn’t usually come up, but is occasionally relevant, (4) requires 8 mana to use immediately (although being able to split 3/5 compensates), (5) doesn’t get a discount from Eye, and (6) can be Stifled. So if you expect a lot of Stompy, Oblivion Stone is a good option; if not, you’re better off with Dust.
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1. Very rare. in 90% of games it is ok. But i am thinking a lot a about 8th forest. yes
2. I have tested a lot 4 candelabras. And my tests shows, that 3 are very ok and i dont need the 4th one, thats why it is not in the watch list
3. in many games it is free win. They dont expect it from us. And because we are often play like control deck - fast win is a good plan. Plus i like 4 explore very much. Thats why DD plan often works
4. I tested it instead of 2 Libraries and recent test sessions shows, that Libraries are better then Karn. Because stable turn 2 and because many cards right now, not tomorrow. I am totally agree with u about a risk of exiling an important card, thats why i tried Libraries. And i am very happy with them right now
I continue testing sessions. Now my goal is to stabilize the sideboard
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Yes, you probably need Candelabra if you're running a Cloudpost deck.
@k_omega:
Random question: How many Scion tokens would you consider adequate to carry with your deck?
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Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
I took the 8-Forest, 3-Wail version to FNM today, also swapping Promised End for Butcher of Truth. I faced Storm twice so it was a bad week to cut a Wail. Not having Promised End to cast for 9 mana came up once but did not lead to a loss. I used a different art for the 8th Forest to track when it came up, which revealed that it did not affect any mulligan decisions. Obviously the sample size is small though.
I carry 4 now that I'm playing From Beyond. I used to use only 2. Even with From Beyond I've never actually needed more than 3.
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U/G Post reached the Top4 of the recent MKM Series (Europa) Zaragoza.
http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/cov...a-2018-legacy/
Pretty interesting.
Would like to know his matchups throughout the day.
Legacy: Big Eldrazi | Food Chain
Modern: GriselShoal | Ponza
Thank you,i just put simplier insight for Sunday Legacy event in Zaragoza
i started with 2 byes for 8 rounds so that was much easier to reach top .
3:0 round 3 Rug threshold (won 2:0)sided out 3 maps,1 vesuva,1 scroll rack and sided in 1 crop. rot.1 relic 1 needle,2 carpets
4:0 round 4 Goblins (won 2:0) sided out 2 maps, bojuka,3 flusters and side in 1 crop,1 needle,2 ballistas,2 krosans
5:0 round 5 BR reanimator( won 2:0) (first game opp mull to 4) sided out cavern,1 glimmerp.,3 show and tells,glacial chasm,1 map and side in 3 sanctity leylines,2 surgicals,1 crop,1 relic
6:0 round 6 Show&Tell (won 2:1) (second game opp mull to 5) sided out 3 show&tells,3 crops ,bojuka,1 cloud post and chasm sided in 3 krosans,2 surgicals,2 carpets,1 needle,1 relic
last two turns i just made to draw it
in top 8
quarterfinals Rg lands (2:0 won) sided out cavern,2 flusters,1 map,1 cloudpost 1 scroll rack and sided in 2 krosans,2 surgicals,1relic,1 needle
semifinals Grixis Delver( lost 0:2) sided out bojuka,2 crops,1 vesuva,1scroll rack,1 map and sided in 2 ballistas,2 carpets ,1 relic ,1needle . i can say he had everything both games started with two wastelands ,1-2 forces ,disruption spells and delver turn one flipped of course :)) otherwise deck was going properly and i enjoyed it a lot .
thank you, i didn't won any such a price like Candelabra that would fine won only credit that cover little bit my weekend but it's fine .
scroll rack can more fix your hand and very change your plan in the game you can exchange your no needed cards and fetch it out ,its more comperable with brainstorm sometime you can switch all your cards,also it can face chalice of the void or red blast and cc is fine with cloudpost and you can stay on colorless mana sometime it's necessary . It won me few matches ussually to keep ramp just finding lands and other spells keep on the top. In late game if you are under heavy discard and liliana of the veil that's worse but still you can switch your drawed card . I'm wondering why it was not used before also in other versions or maybe i just miss it here .
Thanks for your thoughts. I tested with it shortly after sdt ban. I tested with 3-4 (i think it was an ancient tomb build with WW and Plat) and I didn't like it back then. Prob. Two is the right number I got rack flooded too often I think. Your build also seems to support rack with cards like fluster one tends to hang back, which means one has enough cards in hand to use the thing. I really dislike when I top deck into it (no cards in hand), ponder still shines there, but a 2/2 ponder/rack split maybe the right balance for post. I'm not happy with 4x ponder either. Like you said Top would be the best solution.
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