which was the bigger mistake?

[apple713]

Delver imo

[joemauer]

Only one of these cards were ever banned in Legacy.

Easy choice.

[Megadeus]

WOTC knows how good free spells are. I want to say amrakul because the eldrazi are super unfun to play against, but unfun doesnt make a mistake

[Greenpoe]

Jace, TMS. (I'm going to ignore Mental Misstep - it was banned so it's on a whole other level of mistakes by Wizards, not comparable to the others) Delver, Goyf and Emrakul are just power creep. If it wasn't these creatures, it'd surely be something else. Besides, at the end of they day, they're just creatures, and creatures can easily be dealt with. J-Pops is a major pain to deal with and has forever answered the question, "What should my win-con be for my blue control deck?" With Emrakul, if decks weren't dropping that, they'd be dropping some other huge monster (Iona, Inkwell, Griselbrand, etc.) that maybe wouldn't kill you 100% of the time, but 95% of the time they would. Goyf? Well, pre-Goyf, people complained that green didn't have the best creatures. Now green does. Delver? Kind of a pain, but at least it doesn't lock you out like Jace's +1 will.

[apple713]

Even though misstep was banned i still put it on here because i know many people in my community that dont agree with that decision.

I chose delver because that card should never have been a blue creature. It gave blue one of the best aggro creatures in all formats.

If anything it should have been a green creature for g 1/1 that flips to 3/2 trample for revealing a green creature card. Or something like that. It would have even been mpre appropriate as a black creature.

[kusumoto]

This was officially answered for us via banning.

[Valtrix]

Misstep is the clear choice, because it was a relevant (Basically) free counterspell that you could (and probably should) play in any deck. That's just poor design. After that Delver is the next most broken card--Blue should not get something that aggressive.

[nedleeds]

Misstep. Not even close. It essentially made the format a 56 card format (unless you were playing Chalice of the Void and/or Trinisphere). It suppressed a massive amount of cards; it made mulliganing miserable as you wanted your one drop and a misstep to protect the misstepped misstep. Derp derp derp.

Delver is a close second. Snapcaster is up there as well. Had delver at least been a B creature that flipped into blue; and SCM been RR they'd be fine. THey just had no business being blue.

[Koby]

Mental Misstep has been answered, and corrected in Legacy. While it's the strongest/most egregious abuse of free mana, it's no longer Legacy relevant.

Hence, I picked Delver of Secret. This card alone has done more to polarize Legacy into "hurp derp play blue or lose" mentality. I would not shed a tear to see Delver as a strategy die in napalm.

Patiently waiting for a 2/2 Goblin Human that deals 2 damage to blue creatures when it EtB. It would be a fair card.

[Erdvermampfa]

Delver is a card I really want to see gone, although I dont really care much about legacy anymore, mainly because Delver has destroyed the format for me.

[Esper3k]

I don't mind Delvers myself. It's still a creature and susceptible to all the usual ways to remove it (Repeal X=0 is particularly hilarious to me).

Terminus is more annoying to me these days just because I think Wrath that effectively exiles your dudes for W is pretty busted.

[Piceli89]

I see in another way: it was Tarmogoyf being printed at the last moment with 1G in the cost instead of 2G to have been the first mistake, basically forcing from that moment card design to keep it up with its level- resulting into the first, evident starting point of modern-blocks power creep.
Don't you remember how scandalously overpowered it was in comparison to everything else at the time?
It took a real chunk of time to slowly spit out cards that could blur its brokenness, until today where other following bombs have really pushed it down-at least, in Legacy. If the Tarmogoyf mistake wasn't done, perhaps nowadays we wouldn't even be having Snapcaster Mage, nor Delver, nor Jace, and so on.

[apple713]

I see in another way: it was Tarmogoyf being printed at the last moment with 1G in the cost instead of 2G to have been the first mistake, basically forcing from that moment card design to keep it up with its level- resulting into the first, evident starting point of modern-blocks power creep.
Don't you remember how scandalously overpowered it was in comparison to everything else at the time?
It took a real chunk of time to slowly spit out cards that could blur its brokenness, until today where other following bombs have really pushed it down-at least, in Legacy. If the Tarmogoyf mistake wasn't done, perhaps nowadays we wouldn't even be having Snapcaster Mage, nor Delver, nor Jace, and so on.

With this mantality tarmogoyf wasent the issue. I believe it started with urzas saga and the many ridic cards in that set.

[wcm8]

Jace. This card is poorly balanced. The brainstorm effect should have been -1, the fateseal maybe +1, and the ultimate either removed entirely or have an increased cost. Alternatively, keep it the same but increase the casting cost to 5 or 6. The other cards on this list are mistakes, but don't function as Swiss army knives for the most annoying deck archetype to play against.

[nedleeds]

Mental Misstep has been answered, and corrected in Legacy. While it's the strongest/most egregious abuse of free mana, it's no longer Legacy relevant.

Hence, I picked Delver of Secret. This card alone has done more to polarize Legacy into "hurp derp play blue or lose" mentality. I would not shed a tear to see Delver as a strategy die in napalm.

Patiently waiting for a 2/2 Goblin Human that deals 2 damage to blue creatures when it EtB. It would be a fair card.

When I win the Invitational I will produce this man:

Priest of Mephistopheles
BB

2/1 - Human Wizard

Flash

Chains Text

... i mean blue gets flash creatures normally reserved for red ... give black one ...

[ScatmanX]

Can't find the Show and Tell on that pool. There might be something wrong.

[Julian23]

Surprisingly, I answered Emrakul - for flavor reasons. I really enjoyed the times when something like Verdant Force was the Best Fattie Ever Printed. And by "Verdant Force" I mean "something super flavorful". Elesh Norn is cool. Any kind of giant Angel or Dragon will do. Flying Spaghetti Monsters on the other hand...I don't know. I realize that people were already cheating other things into play before we had Emrakul, but the Eldrazi just went so much over the top, why even bother. I'm still not worried about power-level in general, as he's still "ok" to handle because of the omnipresence of Karakas. What angers me is how they made him a pretty "dumb", non-flavorful card.


But to be honest guys, the real answer is Sensei's Divining Top.

[zendo]

But to be honest guys, the real answer is Sensei's Divining Top.

I'm going to have to agree with Julian23 here. Playing against Sensei's Divining Top is the least amount of fun you can have in magic.

[obituary 95]

I answered emrakul. I answered it because wizards continuously says they want a game that is interactive. they then make cards like emrakul,cavern of souls ,omniscience etc. these cards are not interactive at all, all they say is hey opponent you are probably dead

exception is with cavern since you still have a chance of winning if cavern is out.

the reason that i did not pick mental misstep is because i am not sure the format would be any different if the card was unbanned today. most of the decks that people where discussing still have not come back. the format is still about the same.

[apistat_commander]

With the exception of Misstep, this thread and most similar threads devolve into: (Insert card that beats my pet deck(s) here)