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    [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Greetings all.

    I just wanted to talk a little bit about Junk and why it may be a choice to think about in Legacy at the moment.

    Thoughts? Comments? Post here!

    http://www.eternalcentral.com/?p=3385

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    Greetings all.

    I just wanted to talk a little bit about Junk and why it may be a choice to think about in Legacy at the moment.

    Thoughts? Comments? Post here!

    http://www.eternalcentral.com/?p=3385

    -Matt
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Why you don't need blue to win in Legacy: A story of second place losing to a mono blue deck.


    Sorry, I had to say it. I agree with your article other than the result

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    That's part of the irony, but variance is variance. I'm not sweating it too much. Also, sorry the article is a bit of a read.

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    An enjoyable read, this is very helpful as I am considering selling my RUG Delver and moving onto the Rock.

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition View Post
    Why you don't need blue to win in Legacy: A story of second place losing to a mono blue deck.


    Sorry, I had to say it. I agree with your article other than the result
    Recently, I placed second at the StarCityGames Legacy Open in Seattle (WA, USA) playing a deck without Force of Will, Brainstorm, and Counterspells. This high finish is just one example of how much variety that can exist, as well as succeed, in the format.
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Alternatively: "Why you don't need Blue to win in Legacy: you just need all the best cards from the other colors combined"

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    I love the article but do not like how you treat my girl Lilliana!
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    I really enjoyed this article. I like long, in-depth explanations of card choices because I'm a Junk neophyte, so the article length didn't bother me. I'm not really a fan of Garruk Relentless but you made a strong case for his inclusion, even as a 61st card. When is part two coming out?
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    The title of this article sounds too much like "Don't let the truth ruin a good story". I'll read it because I like Junk decks, but even if you had won that match, statistically blue would still be THE color to play to win a legacy tournament.
    Please stop talking about whether Force of Will is broken or not. It obviously is, and rather than "the glue that holds vintage together" it would be better to call it "the rug under which you hide the filth until there's so much that you can no longer conceal it".

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    It's my understanding that WOTC created another entire eternal format for people who do not like to play against blue.

    It is an option instead of playing a Junk deck.

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by zendo View Post
    It's my understanding that WOTC created another entire eternal format for people who do not like to play against blue.

    It is an option instead of playing a Junk deck.
    If this is directed at me, I'm not sure if you understood the point of the article. The article was not an article crying over Blue's dominance, I'm saying that this is quite the opposite, as shown with this deck.

    I'm not even going to talk about Modern.

    @ Part Two

    I'm hoping to have Part 2 out prior to Christmas, but no promises. It'll definitely be before GP Denver, and I'll probably talk about what you should/could be playing, and what to watch out for. Would there be interested in that?

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    If this is directed at me, I'm not sure if you understood the point of the article. The article was not an article crying over Blue's dominance, I'm saying that this is quite the opposite, as shown with this deck.
    My aplogies. No it was not directed at you, more of a general observation that I felt compelled to vocalize. I did enjoy the article, and found it very usefull. I tend to maintain at least two legacy decks at a time; one with blue, and one without. (currently blade control and nic fit). Although I do favor blue, sitting on the other end of that threat is an enjoyable challenge.

    I look forward to part two, and will hopefully have constructive input.

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Solidly written.

    This made me chuckle:

    Quote Originally Posted by HammerAndSickled View Post
    Alternatively: "Why you don't need Blue to win in Legacy: you just need all the best cards from the other colors combined"
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Why you don't need blue to win in Legacy: A story of second place losing to a mono blue deck.
    neatly describing the last 3 years of Legacy beautifully.

    except for the past few months it's more like a blue deck losing to another blue deck. And the occasional non-Brainstorm deck making a cursory appearance in a top 8.

    People have this need to bullshit about this, too. It's OK, just admit that the color wheel is complete garbage when it comes to balanced game design, and move on. There's nothing wrong with enjoying such a scenario, there's just something wrong with being in denial.
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Good work! Well written, informative and well argued. The article really helps understanding the intricacies that go into building a solid Junk/Aggro-Rock style deck. I particularly enjoyed the discussion on Sylvan/Top and Dark Confidant as tools to keep up with blue library manipulation (and I wholeheartedly agree, for what it's worth). I'm still ways off actually playing a deck like this - far too much jamming of guys into the red zone ;p - but you show that the power level definitely is there for those whose leanings are different.
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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    Greetings all.

    I just wanted to talk a little bit about Junk and why it may be a choice to think about in Legacy at the moment.

    Thoughts? Comments? Post here!

    http://www.eternalcentral.com/?p=3385

    -Matt
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    Deathrite Shaman
    Abrupt Decay

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    I have some oppositions to the article, but that may be because I'm an excessively critical reader. If you'd like more detailed feedback I could type something out, but for the most part it's fine as-is.

    The deck looks pretty cool though.

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    I have some oppositions to the article, but that may be because I'm an excessively critical reader. If you'd like more detailed feedback I could type something out, but for the most part it's fine as-is.

    The deck looks pretty cool though.
    You could PM me your critique if you so desired.

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    Re: [Article] Rocking Junk: Why you do not need Blue to win in Legacy

    Well done sir. We've been developing a near identical list with success here in Seattle.

    The only nitpicks I have is not maxing out on Decay, GSZ, and possibly Shaman. I value consistency over all else, and prefer my main deck to be streamlined with answers in the board for more flexibility once we know our opponent. We are also running main deck Teeg and Sylvan Safekeeper. You can also have a better board with ETutor package.
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