jace the mind sculptor Reprint?

[apple713]

I've been debating finishing my playset of foil jace the mind sculptors when I realized while they are not likely to print him ever again to be legal in standard they are however likely to print him as a foil judge promo or other promo and I might be better to hold off?

Any care to share their 2 cents?

[god_campbell]

I'd say if you want foils, you'll be waiting till at least modern masters 2....oh wiat ya hes banned so just bite the bulelt and get him now before his price gets even more expensive.

[Lemnear]

I'd say if you want foils, you'll be waiting till at least modern masters 2....oh wiat ya hes banned so just bite the bulelt and get him now before his price gets even more expensive.

Your best bet is a Judge foil in a few years. A duel box appearance is unlikely because it would equal the price development of the FtV sets so this would be a total joke. Moreover there is the modern-banned issue that likely prevents any reprint except the judge promos.

I have no real advice because in Europe's MCM the price rose to 400€+ per foil piece in english. Not to think of foreign ones...

[kiblast]

Wait, if jtms gets reprinted as a judge promo it means that it will be reprinted in the old frame. It would be a stunning piece.

Anyway I think that foil Jaces are so much coveted and scarce (because it's a foil mythic and lots of players who wanted them already got them quickly, moreover I've seen various pics of people hoarding them owning more than a playset) thet if it gets reprinted as a judge promo the price will drop of, umh, 5% maybe?

[Lemnear]

Wait, if jtms gets reprinted as a judge promo it means that it will be reprinted in the old frame. It would be a stunning piece.

Anyway I think that foil Jaces are so much coveted and scarce (because it's a foil mythic and lots of players who wanted them already got them quickly, moreover I've seen various pics of people hoarding them owning more than a playset) thet if it gets reprinted as a judge promo the price will drop of, umh, 5% maybe?

The point is: If you run the Walletsculptor, you want a whole fuck'n set of that mythic, printed in a small, short-drafted set. Even the limited numbers Judge foils can provide to the market can't saturate the demand. A old frame printing would be hilarious, even outcashing the Worldwake ones.

As long as most Legacy and Vintage Control deck starts with 4x Force of Will, 4x Jace, 1x/4x Brainstorm I can see him only becoming more expensive.

Aside from that I think NOW is a terrible timing to buy Jaces. At least I would wait for Miracles/Vintage (lol) to diminish so Jace maybe drop down back to 300€ than the ~400 of today.

[Tormod]

What would an old border planes walker look like?

[Bobmans]

What would an old border planes walker look like?

Just google Beta Jace. And dont stare at Jace Halls racks...

[Lemnear]

Just google Beta Jace. And dont stare at Jace Halls racks...

Impossible to ignore that ... no Force of Will.

[apple713]

Aside from that I think NOW is a terrible timing to buy Jaces. At least I would wait for Miracles/Vintage (lol) to diminish so Jace maybe drop down back to 300€ than the ~400 of today.

when do you think this might be? is there a legacy season?

[Lemnear]

when do you think this might be? is there a legacy season?

I guess there are 2 Legacy GP's this year afaik but that shouldn't make much of an impact. I would monitor the Legacy metagame and the Performance of Miracles/BUG worldwide and have an eye on Vintage (which even suffers in the United Staates of Proxies atm). The moment Team America/Delver/Combo are able to outperform Blade/BUG/Miracles should be good for private trades <250€ ... However, gatecrash doesn't seem to deliver anything metachanging for Legacy to Support such a shift :/

[bruizar]

I guess there are 2 Legacy GP's this year afaik but that shouldn't make much of an impact. I would monitor the Legacy metagame and the Performance of Miracles/BUG worldwide and have an eye on Vintage (which even suffers in the United Staates of Proxies atm). The moment Team America/Delver/Combo are able to outperform Blade/BUG/Miracles should be good for private trades <250€ ... However, gatecrash doesn't seem to deliver anything metachanging for Legacy to Support such a shift :/

I think the price of Jace has nothing to do with the metagame or vintage (vintage already seized to have impact on prices). In my opinion, it has to do with the fact that Tarmogoyf is getting a reprint in modern masters. Jace and Goyf were the two most expensive foils. With Tarmogoyf out of the picture, Jace is now the uncontested top dollar chase foil.

[Lemnear]

I think the price of Jace has nothing to do with the metagame or vintage (vintage already seized to have impact on prices). In my opinion, it has to do with the fact that Tarmogoyf is getting a reprint in modern masters. Jace and Goyf were the two most expensive foils. With Tarmogoyf out of the picture, Jace is now the uncontested top dollar chase foil.

Modern masters is no regular Expansion with a limited printrun (around Coldsnap as WotC announced) and goofy is a MYTHIC in there. So this adds a few Foil Goofies ... do you expect it really have a mentionable Impact on the market?

[Nicol Bolas]

I think the price of Jace has nothing to do with the metagame or vintage (vintage already seized to have impact on prices). In my opinion, it has to do with the fact that Tarmogoyf is getting a reprint in modern masters. Jace and Goyf were the two most expensive foils. With Tarmogoyf out of the picture, Jace is now the uncontested top dollar chase foil.

Second to JTMS I presume should be Thoughtseize, the foil version of this card is still undervalued

[bruizar]

Second to JTMS I presume should be Thoughtseize, the foil version of this card is still undervalued

Yep :) i just got a foil seize for this reason

[Oiolosse]

So, I was a total retard for not buying Jace (non foil of course) at 50 bucks some months ago. I don't currently have a need to play him but would love to own it since it opens up so many decks (and I love control). Should I fork over the 100 bucks or do you guys think it will drop a bit? I ask because I have about 300 bucks from xmas and I wanted to accumulate more duals but if Jace is only expected to rise I may want to grab 2-3 instead.

Thanks!

[Lord Seth]

Modern masters is no regular Expansion with a limited printrun (around Coldsnap as WotC announced) and goofy is a MYTHIC in there. So this adds a few Foil Goofies ... do you expect it really have a mentionable Impact on the market?

Wait. Where did they say it was about the same size as Coldsnap?

[phonics]

So, I was a total retard for not buying Jace (non foil of course) at 50 bucks some months ago. I don't currently have a need to play him but would love to own it since it opens up so many decks (and I love control). Should I fork over the 100 bucks or do you guys think it will drop a bit? I ask because I have about 300 bucks from xmas and I wanted to accumulate more duals but if Jace is only expected to rise I may want to grab 2-3 instead.

Thanks!

Honestly I think the price will slowly creep up, since it will be forever banned in modern and wizards dgaf about high legacy prices, the only way it would go down is if they banned it in legacy or made a better blue planeswalker, which is never happening. I think its going to hover around a little more than 100$ for a while, probably just get them when you find a deal or get a trade you like unless you are just dying to play control.

Its crazy that the card is only 3 years old yet it commands such a huge price tag.

[Lemnear]

Wait. Where did they say it was about the same size as Coldsnap?

Rosewater himself noted on Twitter that the printrun will be more or less Coldsnaps which was more limited than any other expansion in the last 8 years. I'm sure you can find infos about coldsnaps Detailed printrun somewhere in the web.

So the idea to Turn Tarmogoyf and maybe other chase-rares like thoughtseize into mythics AND make it a limited printrun-product won't help modern and Legacy as much as it needs. They still could try other shenanigans with the booster pack seize or the Price because this is Not a regular draft Set but handled like FtV or an Un-Set for distribution

[Barook]

Rosewater himself noted on Twitter that the printrun will be more or less Coldsnaps which was more limited than any other expansion in the last 8 years. I'm sure you can find infos about coldsnaps Detailed printrun somewhere in the web.

Was that before or after they acknowledged their massive fuck up with Commander's Arsenal, thus increasing the print run?

And Jace could be easily reprinted in Legacy Masters. There's no doubt it's going to come because Modern Masters WILL be a huge success for Wizards and piss of fans at the same time because the supply won't meet the demand. They literally print money with it.

[DLifshitz]

And Jace could be easily reprinted in Legacy Masters. There's no doubt it's going to come because Modern Masters WILL be a huge success for Wizards and piss of fans at the same time because the supply won't meet the demand. They literally print money with it.

Commander was a huge success, and yet they didn't immediately think to follow it up with a similar, widely available, good-value-for-money product. Instead we got Commander's Arsenal which only satisfied a very few people. The Premium Deck Series was pretty popular, at times including Legacy staples, and yet it's been discontinued. Meanwhile they continue to churn out boring, repetitive core sets like M12 and M13 that add very little to the game, and don't sell well. So stop applying your logic rooted in common sense! Anyway they print money with whatever product they release.