It's a tie between Griselbrand and Tarmogoyf for me. Griselbrand enables so many slow-roll combo strategies it's foolish to doubt its power, even compared to the other three big legacy legendaries (Progenitus, Emrakul, and Iona), and Tarmogoyf, despite being only a vanilla, is perhaps the most undercosted vanilla once the game starts rolling.
Well my answer is obvious based on the thread I have the most posts in... so yeah, Griselbrand.
Honorable mentions:
Xantid Swarm
Protean Hulk
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Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
Creatures are bad. How am I supposed to answer this question?
Right now, I think Deathrite Shaman - He's very efficient and versatile, and is built-in hate for some combo decks. It honestly feels like a 1 mana planeswalker sometimes.
There is definitely an argument that it is one of the unfair men, and I think Griselbrand is the best of those.
Are creatures those things you turn sideways to do combat damage to an opponent? I don't think I've ever done combat damage to an opponent...
However, vizzerdrix.
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1. Deathrite Shaman
2. Delver of Secrets
3. Stoneforge Mystic
Then probably Knight, Bob, Grimy, Thalia, Goyf, Ooze, Emrakul, Griselbrand, Goblin Ringleader. I think Goblin Welder belongs on there somewhere, even if it hasn't found a real home right now.
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Mother of runes
dark confidant
deathrite shaman
tarmogoyf
stoneforge mystic
snapcaster mage
grim lavamancer
knight of the reliquary
griselbrand
controls
No love for Squire?
I didn't even know Force of Savagery was a card. That makes me mad, on a fundamental level, that's wrong.
Deathrite shaman
That card is busted. A 1-drop that can ramp, has reach and life gain all while disrupting your opponents resources on a 1/2 body, good enough to block a turn 1 lackey.
Yep, busted because its the most efficient creature ever and is essentially a 1 mana planeswalker which you can use its abilities at instant speed.
It doesn’t make sense to compare DS and Goyf to Griselbrand and Emrakul. The question should be splitted in two:
1) Creature to cast: what is the best?
Tarmogoyf
Deathrite Shaman
Delver of Secrets
Dark Confidant
2) Creature to cheat in play: what is the best?
Griselbrand
Emrakul
Progenitus
Iona
Griselbrand has the highest Power level for creatures period. Although in legacy think KotR, Delver and Deathrite are the top 3 right now.
Nope , you almost got it perfectly here. Card must associate well with blue and work well with blue to be good in legacy. Perfect combination!
If you fail to explain the reason behind your choice, technically, it's the wrong choice.
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speaking of this, does that mean they should unbanned bargain? grisselbrand seems better since he also serves as a means to gain that life back.
also, there a reason a deck has not been made with all of the following creatures?
Mother of runes
dark confidant
deathrite shaman
tarmogoyf
stoneforge mystic
Knight of the Reliquary
Thalia
All these cards have been mentioned at some point on this list but never used together. Wouldn't it make sense they would gel well together. BWG is only three colors and thats pretty easily done.
You also forgot that she doesn't die to Abrupt Decay. OMG METAGAME ANSWERED!
Speaking of potential, I think that goblin welder it's the best creature in the format.
It costs 1 mana.
It invalidates any permission or removal (apart exile or top/down library effects).
It's a recurring engine.
It can cheat monsters into play.
As Spatula said it's lacking a home now, but anyone who played vintage at some point knows how fearful the welder is.
Goblin welder is a hard card to play because decks haven't found a combination of cards to protect him with. He has the biggest bullseye on his head of most of the creatures in the format. The best way to protect him or any creature I think is mother of runes. This would lead you down a white red path with no draw abilities to eliminate inconsistency.
Welder is best played with more artifacts than anything. Other cards that can help with this are one of the two tezzerets.
Keep in mind, we are discussing Standalone creatures. If the creature requires other artifacts/lands to make its advantage cumulative over turns, it's not as great as higher ranked.
1. Griselbrand (standalone at its best, even Emrakul doesn't allow you to draw cards to protect itself)
2. Deathrite shaman (graveyard required, but at 1cc pushes it over)
3. Dark Confidant (cumulative advantage over turns)
4. Tarmogoyf (graveyard required)
By that metric though, Phage the Untouchable is a queen among creatures. It costs less than Griselbrand and you literally win the game next turn.
How does Griselbrand not have dependencies whereas cards like Lackey/Welder/etc do? Am I the only Magic player ever to Wheel of Fortune into 6 lands and something irrelevant? While this is rare, you're still placing your faith in a random draw, your win is not guaranteed via card draw. GB is yet another S&T target besides, so that in and of itself is a giant dependency.
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