Oops, All Spells! (Formerly The Rogue Hermit)

[Darklingske]

Again, you cannot ditch Cabal Therapy as it is the only way to get rid of a combo piece in your hand. Or do you want to just loose if this happens or play with Thoughtseize to avoid those situations??? The combo is very well explained in the thread as is the reasoning behind the cardchoices. Just take your time reading the thread and goldfishing the deck A LOT. It will teach you why the cards are present.

[caprino]

Again, you cannot ditch Cabal Therapy as it is the only way to get rid of a combo piece in your hand. Or do you want to just loose if this happens or play with Thoughtseize to avoid those situations??? The combo is very well explained in the thread as is the reasoning behind the cardchoices. Just take your time reading the thread and goldfishing the deck A LOT. It will teach you why the cards are present.

Ok sorry I'm a new player for all spell deck.

[FFreak]

Went 3-1 yesterday and only playd 1 therapy and only needed it once, but shure we need it :) and I played a single ingot chewer was great :)

[mistercakes]

How much disruption did ya play and what were your matchups

[Darklingske]

Ok sorry I'm a new player for all spell deck.

No need to apologize. I'm just saying those things to help you. Everyone went through those steps :)

[caprino]

Today 4 1 on mtgo
List
4 undercity
4 spy
4 elvish
4 simian
1 cantor
1 maniac
1 cerberus
4 chancellor
4 narcomeba
1 Street w

4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 manamorphose
4 summon pact
4 pact of negation
1 dread return
3 cabal ritual

4 lotus petal
4 Mox

Side
4 Belcher
4 led
4 spoils vault
2 tinder Wal
1 Grim monolith

W vs reanimator br, sneak and show, grixis, bug... Lose vs ant

Next time I test garna main deck

[caprino]

What do you think summoning trap it's better chancellor?

[mistercakes]

Today 4 1 on mtgo
List
4 undercity
4 spy
4 elvish
4 simian
1 cantor
1 maniac
1 cerberus
4 chancellor
4 narcomeba
1 Street w

4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 manamorphose
4 summon pact
4 pact of negation
1 dread return
3 cabal ritual

4 lotus petal
4 Mox

Side
4 Belcher
4 led
4 spoils vault
2 tinder Wal
1 Grim monolith

W vs reanimator br, sneak and show, grixis, bug... Lose vs ant

Next time I test garna main deck

i think you can consider cutting 1 therapy, 1 cerberus + 1 garna and +1 street wraith. the 2nd wraith will let you win through a lightning bolt/plow if you are on the draw.

[caprino]

i think you can consider cutting 1 therapy, 1 cerberus + 1 garna and +1 street wraith. the 2nd wraith will let you win through a lightning bolt/plow if you are on the draw.

Thanks.

You prefer chancellor or trap green?

[mistercakes]

i don't really like playing either.

this is my 75


// 60 Maindeck
// 8 Artifact
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal

// 28 Creature
4 Balustrade Spy
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Narcomoeba
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Undercity Informer
1 Wild Cantor
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
1 The Mimeoplasm
1 Walking Ballista
1 Lord of Extinction

// 5 Enchantment
1 Bridge from Below
4 Sylvan Library

// 16 Instant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Manamorphose

// 3 Sorcery
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Dread Return


// 15 Sideboard
// 2 Artifact
SB: 2 Expedition Map

// 4 Creature
SB: 4 Vampire Hexmage

// 6 Land
SB: 4 Dark Depths
SB: 2 Thespian's Stage

// 3 Sorcery
SB: 3 Sylvan Scrying


i understand it can't beat a leyline of sanctity game 2 or 3, but if they have it game 2 just go for the hexdepths kill instead.

it's not objectively better (the list in general), but for the most part the turn 1(unprotected) aspect is just as high and it has some more consistency in case you need to combo twice.

[caprino]

i don't really like playing either.

this is my 75


// 60 Maindeck
// 8 Artifact
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal

// 28 Creature
4 Balustrade Spy
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Narcomoeba
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Undercity Informer
1 Wild Cantor
4 Chancellor of the Tangle
1 The Mimeoplasm
1 Walking Ballista
1 Lord of Extinction

// 5 Enchantment
1 Bridge from Below
4 Sylvan Library

// 16 Instant
4 Dark Ritual
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Manamorphose

// 3 Sorcery
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Dread Return


// 15 Sideboard
// 2 Artifact
SB: 2 Expedition Map

// 4 Creature
SB: 4 Vampire Hexmage

// 6 Land
SB: 4 Dark Depths
SB: 2 Thespian's Stage

// 3 Sorcery
SB: 3 Sylvan Scrying


i understand it can't beat a leyline of sanctity game 2 or 3, but if they have it game 2 just go for the hexdepths kill instead.

it's not objectively better (the list in general), but for the most part the turn 1(unprotected) aspect is just as high and it has some more consistency in case you need to combo twice.

Interesting.

Main deck you lose vs blue deck right? Force of will ecc... Right? No pact no chancellor is very hard vs blue deck

[mistercakes]

not necessarily. they still need the force on turn 1.

you can still play through several counters. if they counter you on turn 1 and can stabilize (or generally if they keep out an active deathrite shaman) you're in trouble. otherwise there's a good chance if you resolve a sylvan library you can draw your way out.

i guess you probably just need to notate your matches vs blue decks and count how often the pact/chancellor has actually won you games. if it's a very high amount and you're happy with the list then keep them.

i like having 4 chancellor of the tangle to help get to 4 mana easier.

you can also keep hands like

chancellor + mox + sylvan

i like it more b/c the deck really loses to itself more often than losing to FoW.

(i still need to test if an urborg is worth playing. if so i'd probably cut a stage.)

[caprino]

Today I test garna list (no cabal therapy main deck)

4 street w
4 undercity
4 balustrade
4 narcomoeba
4 simian
4 elvish
1 cantor
1 garna
1 maniac

4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 pact of negation
4 summoning pact
1 dread return
4 Mox
4 lotus petal
4 manamorphose
4 gitaxian




Side
4 Belcher
4 led
4 spoils of vault
3 rite of flame

4 1 in league w vs miracle, bug delver, elf, reanimator... Lose vs eldrazi.

[mistercakes]

i think you should still run a singleton therapy. maybe 2? it seems pretty risky that if you have garna or dread return in hand you just lose. you can also consider a singleton phantasmagorean, but it's still probably just worse than a singleton therapy.

especially with 4 wraith, 4 probe, 4 manamorphose...the odds of you hitting garna or dread return will catch up with you over time.

[FFreak]

How much disruption did ya play and what were your matchups

I played 4 pacts and 1 trap main.
MU were: Eldrazi (easy), Miracles (50%), SnT ( he got 2 force game 1 and 2 force , 2 blue, 1 fluster game 3 ), elvs (easy ^^)

[caprino]

i think you should still run a singleton therapy. maybe 2? it seems pretty risky that if you have garna or dread return in hand you just lose. you can also consider a singleton phantasmagorean, but it's still probably just worse than a singleton therapy.

especially with 4 wraith, 4 probe, 4 manamorphose...the odds of you hitting garna or dread return will catch up with you over time.

Yes 1 cabal therapy main deck is good. Right

[caprino]

I played 4 pacts and 1 trap main.
MU were: Eldrazi (easy), Miracles (50%), SnT ( he got 2 force game 1 and 2 force , 2 blue, 1 fluster game 3 ), elvs (easy ^^)

Write you list thanks

[caprino]

Today 5 0 on mtgo (garna list)

Next time I write list /link

W vs grixis 2 1, team America 2 0, miracle 2 0, dredge 2 1, reanimator ub 2 0

4 /5 blue deck...very happy

[mistercakes]

that's great, can you also list how many leagues you've played in? just trying to get an estimate of how likely the 5-0 is. (can also list the number of times 4-1, as that's pretty challenging to do as well).

[caprino]

that's great, can you also list how many leagues you've played in? just trying to get an estimate of how likely the 5-0 is. (can also list the number of times 4-1, as that's pretty challenging to do as well).

I play 8 league...5 0...three 4 1...four 3 2