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    @haganbmj What's the purpose of the single Teeg? The chances of randomly finding it at the right time is very low. I usually see Teeg in Zoo with GSZ.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Quote Originally Posted by kirbysdl View Post
    @haganbmj What's the purpose of the single Teeg? The chances of randomly finding it at the right time is very low. I usually see Teeg in Zoo with GSZ.
    Same as the single Karakas, it made me feel like I was at least trying to have answers to stuff.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Yeah, that follows. I usually see Karakas with Knights in big Zoo, but overall your low-to-the-ground build is much more my speed. Thanks for sharing!
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    For Big Zoo, I think GSZ is significantly better than BBE. GSZ is a stronger consistency tool and the ability to tutor for creatures is invaluable in Legacy.

    I do like your list though - curious to know how it fares.

    There is definitely an incentive to play Big Zoo right now as it can be built to have favorable matchups against the format's best decks, Grixis Delver and Czech Pile.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    BBE against the bunch of miracles decks seems good. But GSZ for Teeg is also good against them. I think I'm in the BBE train though
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix View Post

    There is definitely an incentive to play Big Zoo right now as it can be built to have favorable matchups against the format's best decks, Grixis Delver and Czech Pile.
    Can confirm, without surgical they cannot beat the card Punishing Fire.
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    I haven't played legacy in a while so when I went to weekly legacy the other night I did pretty terrible not knowing the meta. I underestimated the Moon Stompy matchup, so I think By Force is going to find its way to the board. The mana is definitely awkward so that's going to just take more reps with the deck to figure out.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Gonna try a more "value town" version of the deck. Nacatl was fine, but doesn't present a problem that SFM could, so without further ado:


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    4 Bloodbraid Elf
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    3 Spirit of the Labyrinth
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Scavening Ooze
    1 Tireless Tracker

    4 Punishing Fire
    3 Swords to Plowshares
    2 Lightning Bolt
    1 Sylvan Library
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    I miss zoo. I hope you're successful. I don't know if SFM is the answer considering KCommand, but it's worth a shot. I still think a build with heavy burn emphasis and maybe even probes to delve out fast mandrills is good, but maybe I'm delusional
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I miss zoo. I hope you're successful. I don't know if SFM is the answer considering KCommand, but it's worth a shot. I still think a build with heavy burn emphasis and maybe even probes to delve out fast mandrills is good, but maybe I'm delusional
    I think that could be really good. I like the idea of Mandrils as a 4/4 trampler for G. I honestly think that something that gets a big, unfair blast of cheap creatures could really pressure the fair decks, like Burning-Tree Emissary and others.

    Maybe something like this:

    4x Wild Nacatl
    4x Goblin Guide
    3x Steppe Lynx
    4x Burning-Tree Emissary
    4x Hidden Herbalists
    4x Reckless Bushwhacker
    3x Hooting Mandrills

    4x Lightning Bolt
    4x Chain Lightning
    4x Manamorphose
    4x Gitaxian Probe

    4x Wooded Foothills
    4x Arid Mesa
    4x Windswept Heath
    2x Taiga
    1x Savannah
    1x Plateau
    1x Forest
    1x Mountain


    It looks modern-ish, but that isn't a terrible thing. It's all in on agro with 8 bolts. Not sure what would be better as far as burn goes. Sideboard could be loaded with anti-combo like Mindbreak Traps, Gaddock Teeg, Grafdigger's Cage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    I miss zoo. I hope you're successful. I don't know if SFM is the answer considering KCommand, but it's worth a shot. I still think a build with heavy burn emphasis and maybe even probes to delve out fast mandrills is good, but maybe I'm delusional
    it was actually great. I lived the dream of BBE into SFM, which was gas. I beat Leovold BUG 2-0 and Burn 2-1, lost to UW 0-2 because of a ton of misplays on my part, but that's the tax I have to pay getting back into legacy and various interactions.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    You know, the more I think about the impact on the format from not having so many Striges and early TNNs... I think aggro decks could actually come back. Combo will be a bugaboo -- but the fair matchups should be pretty good for Naya.

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    What's the meta going to be like now?
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    I'm thinking of coming back to a Big Zoo build. I think in a world where I feel Show and Tell Makes a resurgence I want to be on Knight of the Reliquary.

    4 Noble Hierarch
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    2 Qasali Pridemage
    3 Tarmogoyf
    2 Huntmaster of the Fells
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
    1 Scavenging Ooze

    4 Lightning Bolt
    3 Swords to Plowshares (Maybe even could just be chain lightning?)
    3 Green Sun's Zenith
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    4 Wooded Foothills
    4 Windswept Heath
    2 Savannah
    2 Taiga
    2 Plateau
    1 Forest
    1 Mountain
    1 Plains
    3 Wasteland
    1 Karakas

    Might be too midrangey and need to be a bit more focused on either a Zoo or Maverick plan.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    I like the big zoo idea too, I think without DRS Jund is going to have trouble so this might be a good BBE deck. I'm not sure about GSZ in that case, of course, could use Adventurous Impulse or Oath of Nissa to dig for bullets. Rather stay focused on fair decks in the main and make the board all combo hate (other than Knight into Karakas)

    I also love some of the Naya PWs that never get played. Domri, a bunch of Ajanis.... there's gotta be some good ones.

    4 Nacatl
    4 Hierarch
    4 Goyf
    2 QPM
    2 Scooze
    3 Knight
    3 BBE

    4 Bolt
    4 some other removal or reach (PTE, STP, Chain)
    4 dig spell
    2 Domri Rade
    2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride

    20 lands inc. Karakas and maybe some other Knight bullet (Bog?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    I like the big zoo idea too, I think without DRS Jund is going to have trouble so this might be a good BBE deck. I'm not sure about GSZ in that case, of course, could use Adventurous Impulse or Oath of Nissa to dig for bullets. Rather stay focused on fair decks in the main and make the board all combo hate (other than Knight into Karakas)

    I also love some of the Naya PWs that never get played. Domri, a bunch of Ajanis.... there's gotta be some good ones.

    4 Nacatl
    4 Hierarch
    4 Goyf
    2 QPM
    2 Scooze
    3 Knight
    3 BBE

    4 Bolt
    4 some other removal or reach (PTE, STP, Chain)
    4 dig spell
    2 Domri Rade
    2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride

    20 lands inc. Karakas and maybe some other Knight bullet (Bog?)
    I can dig it. Oath is probably the better of the two spells as long as you are running some number of walkers and it can pump goyf if drawn in multiples. Though being a sorcery also can pump up for a turn 2 Goyf if your second removal spell happens to be not Chain Lightning.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Ghor-Clan and Narnam Renegade also could still be strong, especially if we gravitate toward RUG + white decks (Batterskull, TNN, Mom) as the fair MUs. Narnam + Domri is so much fun.

    This deck falls into the "got lots of toys over the past 6 years, now we need to find the right mix" realm. The hit to Miracles from losing Top may help Zoo just enough to keep it above water. Of course, the combo MUs are going to be super tough, like 8-leyline-plan tough because they got so much faster as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    Ghor-Clan and Narnam Renegade also could still be strong, especially if we gravitate toward RUG + white decks (Batterskull, TNN, Mom) as the fair MUs. Narnam + Domri is so much fun.

    This deck falls into the "got lots of toys over the past 6 years, now we need to find the right mix" realm. The hit to Miracles from losing Top may help Zoo just enough to keep it above water. Of course, the combo MUs are going to be super tough, like 8-leyline-plan tough because they got so much faster as well.
    Shit I didn't think about Narnham + Domri. I just got a little chubby thinking about it. Domri + Goyf + Exalted is also a great way to win Goyf mirrors. Fuck Domri Zoo is sick. Idk if Ajani is good enough, since he's pretty terrible without a creature on board (unlike Domri who can at least try to draw cards). But it is a way to go jump over TNN which I think will still be important especially if UW Blade comes back. I also think adventurous impulse + baubles might be enough to fuel a Hooting Mandrills version? We're fucking brewin boys

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    4 Noble Hierarch
    4 Wild Nacatl
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    4 Tarmogoyf
    3 Ghor-Clan Rampager
    3 Hooting Mandrills
    4 Adventurous Impulse
    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Chain Lightning
    4 Mishra's Bauble
    2 Arid Mesa
    1 Forest
    1 Karakas
    1 Plains
    2 Plateau
    2 Savannah
    2 Taiga
    4 Windswept Heath
    4 Wooded Foothills

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    3 Containment Priest
    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    2 Pyroblast
    3 Surgical Extraction
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Zoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    Shit I didn't think about Narnham + Domri. I just got a little chubby thinking about it. Domri + Goyf + Exalted is also a great way to win Goyf mirrors. Fuck Domri Zoo is sick. Idk if Ajani is good enough, since he's pretty terrible without a creature on board (unlike Domri who can at least try to draw cards). But it is a way to go jump over TNN which I think will still be important especially if UW Blade comes back. I also think adventurous impulse + baubles might be enough to fuel a Hooting Mandrills version? We're fucking brewin boys
    You are probably right in the short term about 3CC Ajani. But could be a good card for certain MUs going forward. It both provides a similar effect to Berserk and has insane synergy with it, which is how I first came upon it in the berserk/landfall version I played a few months back. For example, double-striking a huge Goyf or Knight can win out of nowhere; berserking the thing first can go 20-0.

    But until the meta settles down probably better to not get cute and just stick to a couple Domris and more threats.

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