Going first used to be a bigger advantage since you would draw on your first turn. Also mulligan rules were less flexible so you were often stuck with mediocre opening hands. Remember this was also back when you could play Sol Ring and 4 Strip Mines. Each first turn Black Vise could consistently deal 7-9 damage, a good rate even by today's standards.
Remember that Legacy basically inherited Type 1's B/R list.
yeah, i played type 1 mostly back then. strip mine and wasteland were playable at the same time (tempest?)
dark ritual was a mana source so you could cast dark ritual through your own nether void.
there were no fetchlands to make perfect mana and black vise was "sort of" cheese wins.
land destruction decks became the "feels bad" to new players.
some of this ^^ i'm a little vague on the dates and whatnot
my list was something like this:
4x wasteland
4x strip mine
4x sinkhole
4x nether void
4 juzaam djinn
4x dark ritual
4x hypnotic specter
8x pro-white pump knights
2x nevinnyrral's disk
1x regrowth
1x ancestral
1x timewalk
1x mox jet
1x mox emerald
1x mox sapphire
1x black lotus
Update on Lantern brew: I nabbed a set of Salvage Titan to test with Wishclaw talisman. I don't think I can do anything tricky with it because Titan doesn't have flash. There may be a way to work a sacrifice outlet to avoid opponents gaining control of it. I also dug out an old combo from my early days of magic: Tel-Jilad Stylus and Avarice Totem. The idea is to trade permanents, then activate Stylus to put Totem/Talisman onto the bottom of my library. This turns it into a 1-sided effect. It's going deep, and the jank is at 11, but damn it seems fun.
Anyone know of any cheaply costed artifact sacrifice outlets? Arcbound Ravager is the only one I can think of.
Edit: costly plunder is interesting, as well as grinding station.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
While it is a sweet interaction, I don't think I will be shelling out $300/copy for an obscure Arabian Nights card. If I had that kind of cash I would be investing in Nether Void.
Currently I like this approach:
1) Cut off searching with Ashiok, Dream Render
2) Keep them off resources so tutoring doesn't add up to anything
3) Possibly using Grinding Station to enable the artifact/Lantern package. It mills better than Shredder/Bell, makes Talisman one-sided, and allows stuff like the 2nd Mox Opal to mill for free. Playing fast is crucial to Lantern decks, and generally for Pox decks as well. This will allow the mill plan to be more genuine of a win-condition.
4) Try Tel-Jilad Stylus out as an enabler for Totem/Talisman if the above doesn't pan out.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
Could Nether Void fit into Lantern Pox?
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
Hell yeah! I can't tell you how tempting it is to jam 4x hyppie into this brew. Swap sinkholes for hymns and just destroy, all the while controlling top-decks.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
WHAT is Gloom!? Hot shyte! Ancient School methods.
Is there a way to delete a deck in your deck collection page in mtggoldfish?
Last edited by OmniStrata; 05-27-2020 at 08:42 AM. Reason: Another Question
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
I made a new thread for my aberration of a deck, here it is if anyone is interested:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...79#post1084579
I strayed pretty far away from traditional Pox, so I decided to make a new thread. Lantern tech in Pox still seems good, I just went a lot deeper to the point that it really wasn't pox anymore. Comments welcome!
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
Vanish 1B
Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker with converted mana cost 3 or less.
Well, they finally did it. I can't see how this doesn't become an immediate Pox staple from here on out.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
Last edited by OmniStrata; 06-08-2020 at 08:31 AM. Reason: Updated info
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
if you start dropping the one-drops, why not go a little further and run chalice and smallpox and the "new smother"
you can even splash green or not
http://old.starcitygames.com/decks/122050
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
this Kaheera pox list just got posted to a 5-0
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Life from the Loam
3 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
2 Toxic Deluge
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Diamond
1 Sylvan Library
1 Barren Moor
2 Bayou
1 Cabal Pit
1 Forest
1 Gemstone Caverns
1 Hissing Quagmire
4 Mutavault
1 Nurturing Peatland
2 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Sylvan Library
2 Choke
1 Damping Sphere
1 Kaheera, the Orphanguard
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Liliana's Triumph
1 Nether Void
1 Sorcerous Spyglass
1 The Elderspell
It's literally just a 3/2 for 1GG as a threat in the sideboard. *sigh* I really want to call 'bullshit', but the companion mechanic is just that good.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
I totally missed that interaction. Congratulations, they just worked harder for a Mishra's Factory. But still, free 8th card...companions are stupid.
Brainstorm Realist
I close my eyes and sink within myself, relive the gift of precious memories, in need of a fix called innocence. - Chuck Shuldiner
HHNNGGHH... I could see replacing one Liliana of the Veil with her... I love how this one can kill you behind an Ensnaring Bridge.
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
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