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Just a few thoughts about Sinkhole.
OK, it does very little on its own, but it is a great part of my very effective "you won't play anything" package :
4 Wasteland + 1 Crucible
1 Tabernacle
4 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
1 Pox
2 Nether Void + 1 tutor
1 Chains (I would play a 2nd in the SB if I could)
I tried it at home against my other decks (Dragon Stompy, Eldrazi, Miracles, Sultai Control, Enchantress and a Mono-green aggro) and won all matches (probably with some luck, but still).
The game pattern is simple :
Either you stabilize the board / clear hand before freezing everithing with NV (as soon as turn 2)
Or you directly go Wasteland / Sinkhole before they can land anything, and then NV
In both cases you finish with Mishra or Totem (forget about Curse scroll)
I enjoyed running 4 Dark Rituals in this specific build. I was lucky enough to see a NV in almost every match, and each time it was a powerhouse.
Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
That kind of build have been successful in the past. Regrettably few players have two Nether Voids to put in their decks.
This made me thinking about what types of Pox decks there are.
Classic Pox - runs two Nether Void
LoamPox - Loam and Smallpox. Cool but Lands is a better deck.
Control Pox - Smallpox only. Tries to lock out the opponent using cursed scroll and Crucible of the worlds.
Japanese Pox - attrition style deck. No Crucible and few Hymn to tourach.
Rack Pox - Runs the rack or shrieking affliction. Also plays four Pox and four Smallpox.
Have i missed any?
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
Sometimes I wonder if different primers wouldn't be usefull... from one build to another, we want to do very different things with different cards !
Otherwise, without an accurate context, it is difficult to discuss the value of a specific cards. Exemples :
How good is Curse scroll ? It depends. Do you play NV ?
How good is Night of soul betrayal ? It depends. Do you play Bloodgast ?
etc etc...
Maybe at least the following 4 ?
Classic / Control / JapanSecretTech Pox
LoamPox
Rack Pox
AggroPox
Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
Maybe this:
Original Pox - Played long before the printing of Smallpox it included cards like Chimeric Idol, and no planeswalkers.
Classic Pox - built around the expensive cards Nether Void, The Abyss and Chains of Mephistopheles.
Control Pox - As above but tries do the job with cheaper cards. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, is a key card.
BG Pox - Green splash for good stuff, like Life from the Loam, Sylvan Library and Abrupt Decay. AKA "Loam Pox".
WB Pox - White splash for good stuff, like vindicate and Lingering Souls. AKA "Vaka Pox".
RB Pox - Red is a natural color adjunct to Black. Cards used are Blood Moon and Kolaghan's Command
Aggro Pox - Aka Rack Pox. Runs both Pox and Smallpox, The Rack and/or Shrieking Affliction and Bloodghasts.
I wanted to mention the original Pox here. While not played nowadays i figure it would work OK. Also I designated the types with their splash colors.
One of my favorite parts of Pox is the fluidity of it all. Most decks have flex slots- we just so happen to have a lot of them. I am currently jamming 8 Walkers behind 2 MD Bridges and have been loving it. Loampox absolutely needed it’s own primer but everything Monoblack should stay under the umbrella of Pox. Screw it even a white or red splash is still enough on the original warpath to merit inclusion. Splitting them into more than just the Pox thread hurts the Pox thread.
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Technically, few people run Pox anymore. The Archetype is Liliana Smallpox now It's a shame about Mishra's vs. Chimeric Idol. I really liked how the idol worked with spells. But my willingness to win outweighs my desire for fun cards in deck. Perhaps they'll print a Chimeric "something" in the future that's not as mana hungry as what we have now. Not likely
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
I love Chains in the current meta.
It is great against blue cantrips, Leovold, Strix, Probe, Jace, Sylvan Library, Tireless tracker, Glimpse, Faithless looting, Griselbrand...
I was wondering : could it be even better, combined with this good old (odd ?) Word of Command ?
This card can achieve great things ("I force you to play Toxic Deluge, paying 20 life. You lose.") but it is very, very situationnal, thus not played.
But forcing the opponent to Brainstorm under a Chains could be very common (more than 50% of competitive legacy decks run the full BS playset) and quite interesting : Discard 1, draw1, discard 1, draw 1, discard 1, draw 1, put 2 on top : on the whole we trade 1 WoC against 1 BS and 2 cards (3 for 1).
Is it enough to make WoC playable as a 1-of maindeck ? Not sure, but I want to try !
Pox -- Miracles -- Lands -- Candelabra Enchantress -- Dragon Stompy -- Eldrazi Stompy -- Sultai Control
I agree that Loam Pox (BG version) needs its own thread... However, I feel people would conflate the idea with Lands or Jund Depths.
Its more similar to Jund Depths except it drops red/Punishing Fire and doesn't rely on Depths combo (although some can still run it).
I'm still tweaking and trying to figure out a solid list for a potential primer, but this has become significantly more difficult due to the banning of Sensei's Divining Top.
Here are a few top8 lists from various tournaments:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=7755&d=244627&f=LE (my inspiration for the archetype, Josh Edelstein Top8 SCG list)
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14378&d=285961&f=LE (my old list I 5-0'd with on mtgo)
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17049&d=305464&f=LE
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15844&d=297267&f=LE
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17148&d=306075&f=LE
So what do you guys think, should BG Loam Pox have its own primer?
Anyone here really interested/have something they are competing with?
Would love to here from people like Josh Edelstein, James Martens and Teodor Sundberg...
I would argue that Loam Pox doesn't need its own thread, just clarification when posting. The most popular version is mono-black, mostly because once you dedicate to Loam there are better decks available (agro loam, lands.)
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