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    Quote Originally Posted by streetMage View Post
    Definitely a tough matchup, Mox Diamond makes it a little more manageable.

    How was Cursed Scroll?
    Sorry - I missed this post. Cursed Scroll is great. Considering your ditching your hand to brutality, smallpox and liliana - it's often active. And it functions as a CA engine vs small creature decks.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by ClimbGneiss View Post
    Sorry - I missed this post. Cursed Scroll is great. Considering your ditching your hand to brutality, smallpox and liliana - it's often active. And it functions as a CA engine vs small creature decks.
    Nether Spirit also fills that role, I think one of the more important functions of Cursed Scroll is challenging any enemy PW.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by ClimbGneiss View Post
    So I've tweaked this list just in the sideboard to include a couple more silver bullets in the board. I kept the Cursed Scroll and Sylvan Library in the MD even though they don't play well with Pernicious Deed.
    The sideboard silver bullets that I added are:

    - 1 Null Rod
    - 1 Lost Legacy
    - 1 Garruk Relentless

    I removed
    - 1 Crop Rotation
    - 1 Crucible of Worlds
    - 1 Chains of Mephistopheles

    One thing I'm unsure of:
    Should I find space for a 3rd Abrupt Decay main deck and remove the 2 sideboard Abrupt Decay? Then I could add back in the Chains which is useful against Grixis, Griselbrand, etc.

    3 Bloodghast
    1 Nether Spirit
    1 Cursed Scroll
    =5

    1 Raven's Crime
    2 Cabal Therapy
    3 Thoughtseize
    =6

    3 Collective Brutality
    4 Smallpox
    =7

    3 Fatal Push
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Diabolic Edict
    =7

    3 Liliana of the Veil
    2 Life From The Loam
    2 Pernicious Deed
    1 Sylvan Library
    =8

    1 Entomb
    1 Crop Rotation
    =2

    4 Wasteland
    4 Bayou
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Swamp
    1 Forest
    3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    2 Mishra's Factory
    1 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    1 Cabal Pit
    1 Bojuka Bog
    =25

    Sb
    3 Surgical Extraction
    2 Pithing Needle
    2 Duress
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Lost Legacy
    1 Garruk Relentless / Bitterblossom
    1 Null Rod
    1 Maelstrom Pulse
    1 Toxic Deluge
    2 Abrupt Decay (1?)

    1 Crucible of Worlds
    1 Chains of Mephistopheles
    I note you have 60 cards in main deck. Add a third Abrupt Decay and play with 61.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by ClimbGneiss View Post
    So I've tweaked this list just in the sideboard to include a couple more silver bullets in the board. I kept the Cursed Scroll and Sylvan Library in the MD even though they don't play well with Pernicious Deed.
    The sideboard silver bullets that I added are:

    - 1 Null Rod
    - 1 Lost Legacy
    - 1 Garruk Relentless

    I removed
    - 1 Crop Rotation
    - 1 Crucible of Worlds
    - 1 Chains of Mephistopheles

    One thing I'm unsure of:
    Should I find space for a 3rd Abrupt Decay main deck and remove the 2 sideboard Abrupt Decay? Then I could add back in the Chains which is useful against Grixis, Griselbrand, etc.

    3 Bloodghast
    1 Nether Spirit
    1 Cursed Scroll
    =5

    1 Raven's Crime
    2 Cabal Therapy
    3 Thoughtseize
    =6

    3 Collective Brutality
    4 Smallpox
    =7

    3 Fatal Push
    2 Abrupt Decay
    2 Diabolic Edict
    =7

    3 Liliana of the Veil
    2 Life From The Loam
    2 Pernicious Deed
    1 Sylvan Library
    =8

    1 Entomb
    1 Crop Rotation
    =2

    4 Wasteland
    4 Bayou
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Swamp
    1 Forest
    3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    2 Mishra's Factory
    1 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    1 Cabal Pit
    1 Bojuka Bog
    =25

    Sb
    3 Surgical Extraction
    2 Pithing Needle
    2 Duress
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Lost Legacy
    1 Garruk Relentless / Bitterblossom
    1 Null Rod
    1 Maelstrom Pulse
    1 Toxic Deluge
    2 Abrupt Decay (1?)

    1 Crucible of Worlds
    1 Chains of Mephistopheles
    Pretty simple to remove a Diabolic Edict for the 3rd decay and then drop the 2 from the board. 3 Brutality is likely too much, but if it has worked for you then that is great.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    I note you have 60 cards in main deck. Add a third Abrupt Decay and play with 61.
    Honestly that's my current plan. I never really mind 61. What are thoughts on my sb choices?

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Duress is weak as SB card. You already have 1cc discard in main.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    What do you all think of Choke in the sideboard?
    Also, are there any cards I'm not thinking of that are good versus storm/show and tell that would be good for GB sideboard?

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    I have seen Choke being played recently, but don't know how good it is. You will probably like it because it's cool and nasty

    You already have anti storm tech. Null rod, surgicals... As for show and tell you might just choose to hope not to encounter any. It is hard to build a sb against everything.
    (Pithing needles are useful against Griselbrand.)
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Worm Harvest, Drown in Filth

    Desolation should be possible to abuse for a loam deck. Especially one with four Mox.
    Quote Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi View Post
    hardcore is our resident aggro pox master, hopefully he can help you

    "Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    Worm Harvest, Drown in Filth

    Desolation should be possible to abuse for a loam deck. Especially one with four Mox.
    Worm's Harvest. Oh the fun.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    Worm Harvest, Drown in Filth

    Desolation should be possible to abuse for a loam deck. Especially one with four Mox.
    I like Darkblast a lot better than Drown in Filth, but DiF is one of those cool cards that is just on the edge of playable.

    Worm Harvest is just abysmally slow. I think I'd rather play more Bloodghasts. I am slightly biased however because when I play B/g pox I play Crop Rotation/Depths/Stage/Hexmage.

    Against Show and Tell I really like Ensnaring Bridge, for storm Crop Rotation into Bojuka Bog is really good but I always played a couple of Surgical Extractions as well.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Mini Report!

    I played in the Legacy Champs Trial at GP PVD on Saturday. There was a small turnout, but we had fun. 4 rounds of swiss, 4-0 records playoff for a bye to EW.

    I was playing Mono Black, as follows:
    10 Swamp
    4 Wasteland
    4 Mishra's Factory
    3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    1 Cabal Pit
    1 Tomb of Urami
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Thoughtseize
    3 Innocent Blood
    2 Cursed Scroll
    2 Pithing Needle
    4 Smallpox
    4 Hymn to Tourach
    3 Sinkhole
    2 Ratchet Bomb
    1 Collective Brutality
    4 Liliana of the Veil
    2 Toxic Deluge
    1 Nether Spirit
    1 Night of Soul's Betrayal

    4 Leyline of the Void
    3 Collective Brutality
    3 Tombstalker
    2 Pithing Needle
    1 To The Slaughter
    1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
    1 Black Sun's Zenith

    Round 1: Spanish Inquisition.
    I win the roll, I Thoughtseize, take a Chrome Mox, turn 2 Smallpox, turn 3 Ratchet Bomb hitting Lotus Petal and Chrome Mox. They never recovered.
    Game 2 they turn 1 Charbelcher me. I take 17. I cast Pithing Needle, they die to their Pact Trigger.
    1-0

    Round 2: Punishing Maverick.
    I didn't take notes, but I lost game 1 to Stage/Depths after grinding them down to nothing. Games 2 and 3 were equally grindy. I won in turns.
    2-0

    Round 3: Death and Taxes.
    Game one was all Pithing Needle on Vial and Smallpox being great. I kept him off mana most of the game.
    Game 2 was super grindy, and I lost to multiple Swords equipped to a SFM.
    Game 3 drew in turns. I missed a couple of damage early on and could have squeaked out the win. Don't miss damage.
    2-0-1

    Round 4: Nic-Fit.
    We ID'd to maximize prizes, then played it out. I lost in 3 games. We're good against this deck if we keep them off Sigarda. If they land her its Deluge or bust.
    2-0-2, which was good enough for 11 Ixalan packs.

    It was fun, I wish I could have gone to the sunday event as well. The deck felt good, the meta was bizarre. Show and tell vs. 4 color Leovold was the top table round 4. I saw Elves, Belcher, Burn, Goblins around me at various times. No delver to be found.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Nice! I wonder if sigarda is affected by a vengeful pharaoh in the graveyard?
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    "Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    Nice! I wonder if sigarda is affected by a vengeful pharaoh in the graveyard?
    Sigarda has hexproof so can't be targeted by pharaoh, but you can target another attacking creature if you were attacked by sigarda and another creature.

    The creatures that attack and deal damage are still considered to be attacking well after damage, but not before moving into your second main-phase.
    See maze of ith for dealing damage with your own creature and then untapping it (for blocking next turn) after damage is dealt but before second main-phase.
    Last edited by non-inflammable; 10-02-2017 at 11:39 PM.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    So I played in several 4 round tournaments at SCG Dallas over the past weekend and overall went 7-5. Each 4 round tournament went as follows; 3-1, 2-2, and 2-2.

    This is the list I'm running at the moment but it's always changing;

    1 Maze of Ith
    1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    1 Geier Reach Sanitarium
    2 Cabal Pit
    4 Mishra's Factory
    4 Wasteland
    4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    8 Swamp
    2 Hymn to Tourach
    2 Sinkhole
    2 Inquisition of Kozilek
    3 Thoughtseize
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Smallpox
    2 Innocent Blood
    1 Fatal Push
    1 Word of Command
    1 Grim Tutor
    4 Liliana of the Veil
    1 Chains of Mephistophelies
    1 Nether Void
    1 The Abyss
    1 Nevinyrral's Disk
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Crucible of Worlds
    2 Cursed Scroll
    2 Phyrexian Totem

    1 Trinisphere
    1 Helm of Obedience
    4 Leyline of the Void
    2 Pithing Needle
    1 Black Sun's Zenith
    1 Engineered Plague
    1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
    2 Phyrexian Obliterator
    2 Ensnaring Bridge

    Overall I felt very satisfied with the list and will make some small changes.

    At the tournament, there was an over-representation of D&T players, not very much combo at all, and a few people on pet decks (like myself). If you have any questions about my list or specific matchups please ask away!
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Yesterday I saw many planeswalkers, with the new rules in play and all. One dude even played with captain sisay!
    Unfortunately my timing was bad ;I had just replaced my pithing needles with cursed scrolls and as a consequence went 1-3:p
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    I like Darkblast a lot better than Drown in Filth, but DiF is one of those cool cards that is just on the edge of playable.

    Worm Harvest is just abysmally slow. I think I'd rather play more Bloodghasts. I am slightly biased however because when I play B/g pox I play Crop Rotation/Depths/Stage/Hexmage.

    Against Show and Tell I really like Ensnaring Bridge, for storm Crop Rotation into Bojuka Bog is really good but I always played a couple of Surgical Extractions as well.
    This is a bit off topic. But I would like to ask Mr. Safety how his pox with 4 Therapy 4 Bitterblossom he posted some time in summet went? I really like the list and think it has potential. Bitterblossom with less and less decay everywhere is the way to go I think... Thank you!!

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    Any thoughts on the Pox list? http://porotour.com/legacy-champs-pakkajakauma/ it managed to top8 local tourney.

    Creatures (8)

    4 Bloodghast
    4 Dark Confidant

    Non-Creature Spells (28)
    4 Chalice of the Void
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Smallpox
    4 Thoughtseize
    4 Liliana of the Veil
    2 Collective Brutality
    1 Toxic Deluge
    1 Fatal Push

    Lands (24)
    2 Bloodstained Mire
    10 Swamp
    4 Mishra’s Factory
    4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    4 Wasteland

    Sideboard (15)
    4 Leyline of the Void
    2 Fatal Push
    2 Dread of Night
    2 Pithing Needle
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Toxic Deluge
    1 Collective Brutality
    2 Duress
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    A very meta dependent list. Not something to bring to a major tournament I figure. I have a set of chalice too, which I used against storm mostly. However they are best in the sideboard. Pox is not a pure hate deck like moon stompy and you will find they are not good against all match-ups. To our decks they are silver bullets to use mostly against decks that play zero mana Artifacts (storm, show and tell) and burn. Delvers decks are better handled by stuff like cursed scroll, for example. I have switched to pithing needle in the main because, unlike chalice, they are both answers and disruption. A favorite is to needle deathrite shaman. It also stop eye of ugin, vial, sfm, and any equipment and planeswalker. To mention a select few possible targets.
    Confidant is perfectly fine, since he doesn't play big Pox and consequently don't need worry about life loss that much. Thoughtseize should be replaced though.

    Also, the correct number of chalice of the void in main deck is three.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Koplinchen View Post
    This is a bit off topic. But I would like to ask Mr. Safety how his pox with 4 Therapy 4 Bitterblossom he posted some time in summet went? I really like the list and think it has potential. Bitterblossom with less and less decay everywhere is the way to go I think... Thank you!!
    It was really good, but I didn't get to play it in paper tournaments. I'm sold on Bitterblossom being the way to go with mono-black Pox. I also played Bloodghast, which is another great Cabal Therapy target. I played online (Magic Workstation, not MODO) and pissed off a ton of people, lol. They just couldn't beat a turn 2 Bitterblossom.

    The matchups I faced were: grixis delver, bug leovold, Czech Pile, and some homebrews. I remember Ratchet Bomb being incredibly good maindeck as well, it just dealt with everything. I also played Thoughtseize over Inquisition of Kozilek (3 I think.)
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