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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Buried alive for 2 bloodghast 2 amalgam is a 3 cmc threat that beats oko and uro, unlike other options. Seems better to me than vengevine as it has less oppurtunity cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeplcheep View Post
    Buried alive for 2 bloodghast 2 amalgam is a 3 cmc threat that beats oko and uro, unlike other options. Seems better to me than vengevine as it has less oppurtunity cost.
    Buried Alive eats a counterspell every time. Also it makes you more all in on the gy plan, and at that point you might as well play dredge cause its faster. The thing about ghast and vine is...they can still be hard cast with a rest in peace on the board.

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    Vengevine + Pox is a joke idea

    The problems with Buried Alive are that

    A) you have to put Buried Alive in your deck and also put multiple graveyard-based threats in your deck for the card to work, which is probably more threats than the deck wants to be playing
    B) you actually have to cast the buried alive (a 3-mana spell) whereas if that card was e.g. Nether Spirit or the new Shade you could have it be your threat but also be happy discarding it to smallpox/liliana. (Or if it was a cheaper threat like Shrieking Affliction it would at least be much easier to cast)

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Pittplayer View Post
    How does Lantern beat Uro/Oko? Or stop Brainstorm/Ponder?
    Maindeck surgical extraction, pithing needle, and Ashiok go a long ways towards attacking those particular cards. Without Chains of Mephistopheles (which I don't own) Brainstorm/Ponder are still the same against my version as any version: really, really powerful. Learning how to play around them is the work of the Pox player. Worse than all of those cards is Veil of Summer, it just blows Pox out of the water. The good news about Lantern Pox is that Ensnaring bridge does so much work against creatures that I don't really need supplemental removal, which leaves room for answers to PW's.

    The real question I need to particularly answer is: why haven't I purchased Karns yet? Its obviously the direction that would work best.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Safety View Post
    Maindeck surgical extraction, pithing needle, and Ashiok go a long ways towards attacking those particular cards. Without Chains of Mephistopheles (which I don't own) Brainstorm/Ponder are still the same against my version as any version: really, really powerful. Learning how to play around them is the work of the Pox player. Worse than all of those cards is Veil of Summer, it just blows Pox out of the water. The good news about Lantern Pox is that Ensnaring bridge does so much work against creatures that I don't really need supplemental removal, which leaves room for answers to PW's.

    The real question I need to particularly answer is: why haven't I purchased Karns yet? Its obviously the direction that would work best.
    Getting Karn to resolve is an asymmetrical Null Rod, allowing Pox to Cursed Scroll and Phyrexian Totem without restraint. Mycosynth Lattice is just win as Karn starts an infinite LD loop turning artifacted lands into 0/0 creatures. Unfortunately, unless you're on artifact mana acceleration or lucky enough to draw 2 Dark Rituals, it's a gamble play. Pox can stall till it hits the 6th land drop. Ensnaring Bridge in the wishboard makes for easy defense.

    I think the other bomb Planeswalker is Liliana, Waker of the dead. She's nearly identical to OG Lili but with a less powerful ultimate. Having her melt a Marit Lage token is one of the best feelings in the world. Unlike OG Lili, she can actually kill you. The ultimate is far too slow to compete and steal enemy Hogaaks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrata View Post
    Getting Karn to resolve is an asymmetrical Null Rod, allowing Pox to Cursed Scroll and Phyrexian Totem without restraint. Mycosynth Lattice is just win as Karn starts an infinite LD loop turning artifacted lands into 0/0 creatures. Unfortunately, unless you're on artifact mana acceleration or lucky enough to draw 2 Dark Rituals, it's a gamble play. Pox can stall till it hits the 6th land drop. Ensnaring Bridge in the wishboard makes for easy defense.

    I think the other bomb Planeswalker is Liliana, Waker of the dead. She's nearly identical to OG Lili but with a less powerful ultimate. Having her melt a Marit Lage token is one of the best feelings in the world. Unlike OG Lili, she can actually kill you. The ultimate is far too slow to compete and steal enemy Hogaaks...
    It's probably better than the other 4-mana Liliana but idk if that's enough of a reward for what you're paying for it
    It might be worse than Davriel even

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by kombatkiwi View Post
    It's probably better than the other 4-mana Liliana but idk if that's enough of a reward for what you're paying for it
    It might be worse than Davriel even
    Are you referring to Dark Realms or Untouched by Death? Neither of them resemble of the Veil and both run counter to a Pox Strategy, the former could be in a weird Death Cloud variant and the latter is obviously for the Zombie tribal archetype. Too bad it's not strong enough to be playable... Merfolk, Goblins, Elves and (lol) Eldrazi are the tribal agro decks I see. More gobs and Eldrazi, less so the other two. Was Davriel ever considered due to being a weaker Liliana with a micro Rack effect?
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrata View Post
    Getting Karn to resolve is an asymmetrical Null Rod, allowing Pox to Cursed Scroll and Phyrexian Totem without restraint. Mycosynth Lattice is just win as Karn starts an infinite LD loop turning artifacted lands into 0/0 creatures. Unfortunately, unless you're on artifact mana acceleration or lucky enough to draw 2 Dark Rituals, it's a gamble play. Pox can stall till it hits the 6th land drop. Ensnaring Bridge in the wishboard makes for easy defense.

    I think the other bomb Planeswalker is Liliana, Waker of the dead. She's nearly identical to OG Lili but with a less powerful ultimate. Having her melt a Marit Lage token is one of the best feelings in the world. Unlike OG Lili, she can actually kill you. The ultimate is far too slow to compete and steal enemy Hogaaks...
    Good points, I actually have 3 Cursed Scrolls already to help feed Mox Opal, which is the acceleration it needs. I am toying with an Ancient Tomb, maybe some number of Rituals, but overall I've been happy with Opals feeding the Lantern/mill-rocks/Bridge plan. I think if I go with Karn it would mean 3 Bridge main, 1 sideboard, which makes room for 1 Karn right away. The other 1-2 copies can be squeezed in somehow.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrata View Post
    Are you referring to Dark Realms or Untouched by Death? Neither of them resemble of the Veil and both run counter to a Pox Strategy, the former could be in a weird Death Cloud variant and the latter is obviously for the Zombie tribal archetype. Too bad it's not strong enough to be playable... Merfolk, Goblins, Elves and (lol) Eldrazi are the tribal agro decks I see. More gobs and Eldrazi, less so the other two. Was Davriel ever considered due to being a weaker Liliana with a micro Rack effect?
    I meant Dark Realms, definitely not enough tribal synergy for the other one
    I think Davriel is okay, but there is a lot of competition for that space on the curve (Crucible of Worlds, Ensnaring Bridge, Lilliana Last Hope, Phyrexian Totem etc)

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Can you escape Cling to Dust to dodge a Surgical Extraction by casting it against a random card in their yard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniStrata View Post
    Can you escape Cling to Dust to dodge a Surgical Extraction by casting it against a random card in their yard?
    tldr: Yes
    (When you cast cling it goes from the graveyard to the stack, then cling will resolve and go back into your graveyard, but as a new/different object than the one the Surgical originally targeted, so the surgical fizzles because its target has disappeared)

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Borrowing an old Blueprint from Kroxa, I've come up with this monstrosity for use on MTGO:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3466806

    Anyone have a suggestion to make room for Silent Gravestone in the Sideboard? Targeting Kroxa hurts. Or could Witchbane Orb do it?

    The R splash covers the toughest permanent for us Mono B users. The Artifact. Granted, Blast Zone can deal with things like Aether Vial and Pithing Needle, but without help, it can't stop a Chalice of the Void.
    One Liliana to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all into the Sinkhole Wasteland!

  13. #5013

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    Don't know if you people care at all about up to date results, but someone from the Pox discord went 41st place out of 672 at Eternal Weekend with Mono Black Control (no smallpox). I thought it was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlogBoy View Post
    Don't know if you people care at all about up to date results, but someone from the Pox discord went 41st place out of 672 at Eternal Weekend with Mono Black Control (no smallpox). I thought it was cool.
    i looked for the list but couldn't find it. care to post a link?

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