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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Yeah, If there was a SFM for artifacts maybe...
    Still, I frustrated a zoo player when running a proxy deck a few years ago.
    Regrettably I can't remember the deck list.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Tutoring isn't necessary when stalling is what Pox should do best. I'm guessing it ran 4 Ankhs, 4 Smallpox, 4 Pox, and maybe 4 Rancid Earths? Desolation (lol)?
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Since it was proxy probably wasteland, maybe sinkhole. Anyway I doubt it is necessary to run any additional LD. While it is disruption I figure it would be an adjunct much like The Rack.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    Well, you can run 76 cards while figuring it out.
    I'm thinking about cutting a Scroll from the main since I've added the tutors to fit it in. Not sure if that's trimming it down to far or not, though.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Keep the scroll and cut the tutors. People seems to find those underwhelming.

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    What do you guys think of this list as a starting point in pox?

    4 Bloodghast
    3 Tombstalker

    4 Innocent Blood
    4 Smallpox
    4 Pox
    4 Sinkhole
    4 Hymm to Tourach
    4 Duress
    4 Dark Ritual
    3 Cursed Scroll
    1 Empty Slot

    21 Swamp

    My concerns with this list is Delve and Bloodghast don't have great synergy. And I think to make bloodghast better I need to add fetchlands and possibly crucible/Mox Diamond/Wasteland

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by sampi View Post
    What do you guys think of this list as a starting point in pox?
    I would go -7 Swamp, +4 Fetchland (Minimum), +3 Urborg. I would also cut Big Pox -3 for +4 Inquisition of Kozilek (filling your empty slot) and -4 Duress for +4 Funeral Charm.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    On Salvation people were talking about Myth Realized as part of a new strategy in 'Holy Pox' (Bw Pox) or even three-coloured Pox. Opinions?
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by sampi View Post
    What do you guys think of this list as a starting point in pox?

    4 Bloodghast
    3 Tombstalker

    4 Innocent Blood
    4 Smallpox
    4 Pox
    4 Sinkhole
    4 Hymm to Tourach
    4 Duress
    4 Dark Ritual
    3 Cursed Scroll
    1 Empty Slot

    21 Swamp

    My concerns with this list is Delve and Bloodghast don't have great synergy. And I think to make bloodghast better I need to add fetchlands and possibly crucible/Mox Diamond/Wasteland
    I have run Tombstalkers but moved away from them.
    Lot of effort to get them in play, and then they get usually get sworded.

    To play Bloodghast you do not need fetchlands.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by sampi View Post
    What do you guys think of this list as a starting point in pox?

    4 Bloodghast
    3 Tombstalker

    4 Innocent Blood
    4 Smallpox
    4 Pox
    4 Sinkhole
    4 Hymm to Tourach
    4 Duress
    4 Dark Ritual
    3 Cursed Scroll
    1 Empty Slot

    21 Swamp

    My concerns with this list is Delve and Bloodghast don't have great synergy. And I think to make bloodghast better I need to add fetchlands and possibly crucible/Mox Diamond/Wasteland
    Liliana of the Veil is the starting point for competitive Pox. I admit it's a shame but it's something I've come to accept. She feeds Tombstalker's Delve as well. 10 threats is a lot, but not 'too much' as you've got enough disruption. I'd drop 1 Cursed Scroll and squeeze in some Dakmor Salvage to keep those Bloodghasts rushing. Crucible is best used for Waste-locking your enemies, not bringing back a 'ghast. That and a Crucible 'forces' you to go land 'spells' hard. Mishra's becomes more Nether Spirits, Wasteland and Ghost Quarter becomes long game mana denial, and you get access to Cabal Pit spamming.

    In the absence of Liliana, 4 big Pox will work. Great way to make games fast in a long tournament field. 2 Pox = 12 life lost. ^_^. That being said, you don't want to lose something like Tombstalker to it so I'd suggest more 'sac-immune' win conditions like Chimeric Idol (you don't use lands for spells so it'd be a great win con with no drawback). Or 2 Nether Spirits and 1 other disrupt spell like Contamination (lol).
    Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Thank's for the feedback guys

    I've changed the list a bit

    -4 Duress
    -3 Scroll Rack
    -3 Tomstalker

    +4 IoKozilek
    +3 Funeral Charm
    +4 Chimeric Idol (and filled Empty Slot)

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    if you run big Pox the you really should have the Rack in your deck. Good synergy with your spells, and it cannot be sworded.
    Mishra's Factory is probably better than idol, btw.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    if you run big Pox the you really should have the Rack in your deck. Good synergy with your spells, and it cannot be sworded.
    Mishra's Factory is probably better than idol, btw.
    Depends on your disruption suite, but personally, I think Chimeric Idol has 4 advantages over the Factory. More damage, doesn't use a land drop, no mana needed to activate which lets you tap out for spells AND punch for 3, and can defend as a 3/3 instead of a 2/2 with summoning sickness.

    However, with Mishra's being a land drop, it's really only needed if your spell count is insanely high. I'd run Chimeric Idol if I wanted to run 64-68 cards in my deck, lol. In a 4 Pox build, Chimeric hits REALLY hard. (4 turn clock after a Smallpox+Pox right? )
    Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardcore View Post
    if you run big Pox the you really should have the Rack in your deck. Good synergy with your spells, and it cannot be sworded.
    Mishra's Factory is probably better than idol, btw.
    +1.

    The Rack is the one-of that should be in every Pox list, just because it also deals with opp's planeswalker without having to spend ressources (like cursed scroll) and it hits harder.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf View Post
    +1.

    The Rack is the one-of that should be in every Pox list, just because it also deals with opp's planeswalker without having to spend ressources (like cursed scroll) and it hits harder.
    I keep it in my sideboard. It's great in that it's a hard target that doesn't target anything so it ignores Leyline of Sanctity [HATE THAT CARD] and Pithing Needles. I'm starting to consider an unknown gem called Skullcage. Not only is it a badass name, but it can fit in any Pox type be it discard or hand clogging Land Killer. Unlike Rack, it also dodges counterbalance very well.

    In a situation where my Liliana is needled and my foe is hiding behind a Leyline of Sanctity [ouch], I think packing more Pox may be the answer.
    Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    wheel of torture is a card I have been considering myself. iron maiden would work with chalice in your deck.

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatto View Post
    On Salvation people were talking about Myth Realized as part of a new strategy in 'Holy Pox' (Bw Pox) or even three-coloured Pox. Opinions?
    Just throwing it back in, seems like a decent beatstick. Sure, it would ask for a different built, would like to hear some opinions.
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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatto View Post
    Just throwing it back in, seems like a decent beatstick. Sure, it would ask for a different built, would like to hear some opinions.
    I played, long time ago, a BW Pox list but ended giving up because you are adding even more variance because of the mini color splash.

    If I were to be playing BW Pox again, I would not consider "Myth Realized" as a decent beatstick because it is an awful topdeck. It can be great early on but that's all. To be honest, this card feels the same as "Waste Not" as it does not impact the game state the turn you land it but might be a little better as the game drags on (less conditional).

    The main reasons for me to splash W are:
    - Swords to plowshare
    - Flagstones of Trokair
    - Vindicate
    - Sorin, lord of Innistrad
    - Sideboard options when dealing with artifact & enchantment

    But after considering all this, just play Pikula (Deadguy Ale).

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    Re: [Primer/Deck] Pox

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf View Post
    I played, long time ago, a BW Pox list but ended giving up because you are adding even more variance because of the mini color splash.

    If I were to be playing BW Pox again, I would not consider "Myth Realized" as a decent beatstick because it is an awful topdeck. It can be great early on but that's all. To be honest, this card feels the same as "Waste Not" as it does not impact the game state the turn you land it but might be a little better as the game drags on (less conditional).

    The main reasons for me to splash W are:
    - Swords to plowshare
    - Flagstones of Trokair
    - Vindicate
    - Sorin, lord of Innistrad
    - Sideboard options when dealing with artifact & enchantment

    But after considering all this, just play Pikula (Deadguy Ale).
    Don't forget Ghostly Prison. With that, Sinkhole, Wasteland, Vindicate, Smallpox, and Pox, you've got yourself a 3 mana moat. Free Tombstalking for all!
    Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!

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