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    [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Let's start!

    There are better ways in Legacy to cheat Griselbrand into play, but it's an interesting design nonetheless:

    Shadowborn Apostle
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    A deck can have any number of cards named Shadowborn Apostle.
    , sacrifice six creatures named Shadowborn Apostle: Search your library for a demon creature and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    3BB - Shadowborn Demon
    Creature - Demon (Mythic Rare)
    Flying
    When Shadowborn Demon enters the battlefield, destroy target non-Demon creature.
    At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are fewer than six creature cards in your graveyard, sacrifice a creature.
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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Totally worthless. It doesn't matter how many copies of that creature you can have in your deck, only how many cards in hand you can have at a given time. It looks like they really, really wanted to make it unplayable, because 4 copies is already asking too much.

    The demon looks cool and I like how it subtly references this card. Though there are better demons (and dragons) at that cost, so I don't think it will see play.
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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Well I guess Thrumming Stone can now go into two casual decks. And this time it may even bring Bloodbond March along for the ride to break the monotony a bit.

    I do like that having a ton of expendable minions work well with most Demons and not just with the one in M14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrJones View Post
    Totally worthless. It doesn't matter how many copies of that creature you can have in your deck, only how many cards in hand you can have at a given time. It looks like they really, really wanted to make it unplayable, because 4 copies is already asking too much.

    The demon looks cool and I like how it subtly references this card. Though there are better demons (and dragons) at that cost, so I don't think it will see play.
    You can Desperate Research them into your hand. With the lower CC that's much more plausible than for the rats.
    Since it's a cleric, it works with Dark Supplicant
    Sphinx of the Chimes would be an alternative to Thrumming Stone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Let's start!

    There are better ways in Legacy to cheat Griselbrand into play, but it's an interesting design nonetheless:

    Shadowborn Apostle
    Creature-Human Cleric
    A deck can have any number of cards named Shadowborn Apostle.
    , sacrifice six creatures named Shadowborn Apostle: Search your library for a demon creature and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
    1/1
    Cute. As some have already said, should make for a fun Thrumming Stone casual deck. Or some fun Demon deck. I've been meaning to make a fun mono-black casual deck and it looks like I got my wish.

    List of Demon creatures:


    Griselbrand (TROLOLOLOLOL)


    Abyssal Persecutor
    Ravenous Demon (Archdemon of Greed)
    Archdemon of Unx
    Bloodgift Demon
    Carnifex Demon
    Defiler of Souls
    Demon of Death's Gate
    Demonic Hordes
    Demonic Taskmaster
    Demonlord of Ashmouth
    Desecration Demon
    Dread Cacodemon
    Extractor Demon
    Grinning Demon
    Gutwrencher Oni
    Halo Hunter
    Harvester of Souls
    Havoc Demon
    Hellcarver Demon
    Hollowborn Barghest
    Illusory Demon
    Infernal Denizen
    Infernal Spawn of Evil
    Infernal Spawn of Infernal Spawn of Evil
    Kagemaro, First to Suffer
    Kuro, Pitlord
    Kyoki, Sanity's Eclipse
    Lady Orca
    Liege of the Pit
    Lord of the Pit
    Lord of the Void
    Malfegor
    Minion of Leshrac
    Minion of Tevesh Szat
    Mold Demon
    Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis
    Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
    Oni of Wild Places
    Painwracker Oni
    Pestilence Demon
    Pit Spawn
    Prince of Thralls
    Rakdos the Defiler
    Rakdos, Lord of Riots
    Razorjaw Oni
    Reaper from the Abyss
    Reiver Demon
    Renegade Demon
    Rune-Scarred Demon
    Scourge of Numai
    Seizan, Perverter of Truth
    Shimatsu the Bloodcloaked
    Silent-Blade Oni
    Sol'Kanar the Swamp King
    Soulcage Fiend
    Spirit of the Night
    Stronghold Overseer
    The Wretched
    Tombstalker
    Treacherous Pit-Dweller
    Woebringer Demon
    Xathrid Demon
    Yawgmoth Demon
    Yukora, the Prisoner

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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Chikenbok View Post
    3BB - Shadowborn Demon
    Creature - Demon (Mythic Rare)
    Flying
    When Shadowborn Demon enters the battlefield, destroy target non-Demon creature.
    At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are fewer than six creature cards in your graveyard, sacrifice a creature.
    5/6
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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Koby View Post
    Sadly, still cannot kill a Baneslayer Angel. *shrug*
    But at least he doesn't die to it!

    I was thinking this guy may portend the reprinting of BSA. Sameish CMC (3BB vs 3WW), doesn't die to it in a fight (that 5/6 seems just too purposeful to me as opposed to the standard 5/5 or 6/6 Demon p/t), Mythic Rare just like BSA.

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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    Let's start!

    There are better ways in Legacy to cheat Griselbrand into play, but it's an interesting design nonetheless:

    Shadowborn Apostle
    Creature-Human Cleric
    A deck can have any number of cards named Shadowborn Apostle.
    , sacrifice six creatures named Shadowborn Apostle: Search your library for a demon creature and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
    1/1
    If you can Desperate Research etc. a few clerics into your hand, Edgewalker gets them into play for nothing, and Rotlung Reanimator generates creature advantage when you sac your clerics. (Rotling also has VERY fitting art for a demon deck!)
    I doubt it's anything but casual fare, but I like Shadowborn Apostle for a demon deck multiplayer deck, especially with Grave Pact etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slave View Post
    If you can Desperate Research etc. a few clerics into your hand, Edgewalker gets them into play for nothing, and Rotlung Reanimator generates creature advantage when you sac your clerics. (Rotling also has VERY fitting art for a demon deck!)
    I doubt it's anything but casual fare, but I like Shadowborn Apostle for a demon deck multiplayer deck, especially with Grave Pact etc etc.
    Edgewalker + the new clerics + Grislebanned seems pretty neat.

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    Re: [M14] Spoiler discussion

    Actually Griselbrand isn't that broken with the new guy. I mean all you draw into is what, more Clerics :D? Ofc you could then cheat another big fat demon into play...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjoness' View Post
    Actually Griselbrand isn't that broken with the new guy. I mean all you draw into is what, more Clerics :D? Ofc you could then cheat another big fat demon into play...
    With Edgewalker, you can easily dump another demon into play after getting Grislebrand. Or just play a Thrumming stone and keep drawing and dropping Apostle's until they're all 20/20s and just swing.

    Use this shell:


    3 Griselbrand
    4 Edgewalker
    4 Thrumming Stone
    27 Shadowborn Apostle

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    none of these demons provide a win now state, unless you can dig up like 4 spirit of the nights and attack directly?

    its way too vulnerable to creature removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countorlandea View Post
    none of these demons provide a win now state, unless you can dig up like 4 spirit of the nights and attack directly?

    its way too vulnerable to creature removal.
    Should win a few casual table top games.

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    Spirit of the Night is legendary.

    Also, the apostles don't automatically go to 20/20 (though having 20 on the table is pretty brutal anyway).

    I wonder if there's a line of play through Rune-Scarred Demon and Last-Ditch Effort or Grapeshot

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    spirit of the night is legendary.

    Also, the apostles don't automatically go to 20/20 (though having 20 on the table is pretty brutal anyway).

    I wonder if there's a line of play through rune-scarred demon and last-ditch effort or grapeshot
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjoness' View Post
    Actually Griselbrand isn't that broken with the new guy. I mean all you draw into is what, more Clerics :D? Ofc you could then cheat another big fat demon into play...
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