I played 2 Painful Truths in a goofy list (on previous page) that took 3rd place in the most recent Source Cockatrice tourney. It was awesome.Originally Posted by Ganfar
Cutting ZP is obviously a meta choice. I'd still leave a copy or two in the board though.
ZP is so good in some matchup, other matchup maybe use to finish the match.
In the meta I am in there is not so many elves or pyro so maybe worth a shot.
I'm hoping to give Legacy another go sometime soon. Here's my list at the moment
4 Deathrite Shama
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sylvan Library
4 Wasteland
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
3 Bayou
3 Scrubland
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
1 Windswept Heath
SB:
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Manriki Gusari
3 Gaddock Teeg
3 Extirpate
1 Karakas
2 Zealous Persecution
3 Choke
1 [open slot]
I've historically had a really hard time with Shardless BUG. I'd like to devote my last SB slot to beating it. I'm considering Lingering Souls, Painful Truths, and Nahiri.
Also, I have a hard time judging how to sideboard against them in general: I know to sideboard in Choke, Sword, and whatever is in my last slot, but I'm not sure what to cut post-board. Anyone have input for that last slot and for sideboarding strategies?
Referring to the art on Stasis:
Souls and Mirran Crusader is really goog against Shardless BUG. Mirran is unblockable against BUG. :)
First; this is more of a Junk list (Goyfs) so you may get more help there.
I'll point out that with 8 Discard and only 1 library management bit, you have reasonable early game disruption but are really reliant on Confidant to fix your draws for you (IME, unlikely against most decks.) I think the BSK looks bad here and the lack of a SoFaI, SoFaF, and SoLaS is weird and probably bad. (I think if going this still, I'd drop the BB cards and move to Dark Maverick (Bob + KotR + stuff.))
These things explain your issues with Shardless. They have long game, and your early game doesn't mess with them a ton. SoFaI, for example, is unblockable except for DRS/Goyf and provides repeatable removal and blocks Jace's bounce.
Siege Rhino is great in long games against blue decks with Jace. If there's a lot of BUG in your meta, you could even consider Obstinate Baloth to combat their discard. Bitterblossom is great and demands an answer. If they're Decaying it, that's one less answer for your big threats and equipment. Lingering Souls too. You don't even care much if Hymn eats it.
Karakas is odd without KOTR. It's a nice card, but without tutoring for it it's hardly going to be worth praying to draw it. What is Teeg for? You have strong early disruption against combo, so I don't feel that's necessary. Cutting those gives you more room for BUG
SOLS and SOFI are much better in this shell than Batterskull. The reason why BS is so good is that he provides a body. You have plenty (especially if you go for Lingering Souls or BB).
Has anyone here tested out Death's Shadow? Any feedback on it's performance?
Yeah. I probably have a Deaths Shadow Ale list in this thread somewhere. It's super fun. I'd play a Varolz or two. I got to 1 shot someone after scavenging Deaths Shadow on Varolz then suit him up with a SOFAI and 19 my opponent. His regeneration ability is fun with expendable souls tokens and his scavenge ability is good to pump up the souls tokens as well. Also you get dismember and snuff out as solid cheap removal
List I found:
4 Deathrite
4 Deaths Shadow
3 Stoneforge
4 Bob
2 Revoker
1 Varolz
2 STP
2 Dismember
2 Orzhov Charm
4 Thoughtseize
3 Liliana
1 SoFaI
1 Jitte
2 Hymn to Tourach
1 Vindicate
2 Lingering Souls
4 Scrubland
1 Godless Shrine
1 Bayou
1 Overgrown Tomb
9 Fetches
3 Wasteland
2 Swamp
1 Plains
Orzhov Charm is cool too return dead deaths shadows and double as removal that makes you lose life
I never thought a mana base like this would ever make sense in Legacy, but goddamn it, it works!
Hi,
What about this new card :
It seems pretty good :
- it's cheap
- sac-engine
- make you gain life
- got Deathtouch and nice body : 2/3 Deathtouch for CCM 2
- the second ability may be irrelevant but can be nice when we're in the late game
Nope ?
Pilgrim is a decent card. But I really don't see where it fits in or better yet what do you cut? The whole spoiler came out and while I do see a few potential cards for Legacy, none for this deck.
Played at FNM today. 4-0 to win a Foil Daze. The only deck I really play blue is EDH. It's a foil EDH deck (well, I try to foil it out) but I only really play multiplayer so daze......not so good there.
Beat 4 color Delver, Shardless, Miracles and blue/white/red Delver blade. Lingering Souls and Sword of Fire and Ice were the MVP's today. Cast Shriekmaw twice. Once to evoke to kill a Delver. The other hardcast for 5 to kill a Tarmogoyf. Oh and if someone wants to see the decklist..... it's on Starcitygames and on tcdecks.net. I'm always tweaking sideboards but maindeck is the same.
Nice! Souls and SoFaI were almost always the best cards in the deck in any fair matchup.
Long time Deadguy, first time poster on TheSource.
I've never settled on a list but my best/largest finish was 32nd place @SCGOpenKnoxville2014 with the Following:
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Lingering Souls
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Thoughtseize
1 Vindicate
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Scrubland
2 Swamp
1 Plains
4 Wasteland
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
1 Karakas
2 Bayou
1 Polluted Delta
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Rest in Peace
SB: 1 Humility
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 2 Zealous Persecution
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 1 Crucible of Worlds
SB: 1 Diabolic Edict
SB: 1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
SB: 1 Sword of Fire and Ice
I'm going to a small local tournament (Tampa FL, 2Hrs, ~20 People) tomorrow and have resolved to play two main-deck Dark Ritual for experiment/fun. I remember didn't people think T1 Liliana might be a thing for a bit after her printing? I know Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are more in favor as well as having some recent results.
I've got a working list with the Rituals and some other stuff added/cut and shifted around between the Sideboard etc. Comments/advice about this plan as well as rehashing of the initial T1 Ritual -> Liliana discussion (or directions to find it) are appreciated.
Congrats! We may have seen each other. That was the event I got T8 with Deadguy.
I like the idea of rituals. I'm definitely interested in how they work. Being able to cast and equip a sword a turn before your opponent is ready is interesting to me with it. T1 Liliana can certainly win games. I'm not sold on how much better it would be than chrome mox but it's worth testing
Give it a shot with Dark Ritual. If it works, great. If not then at least we'll know for sure. I would suggest updating your list to find a way to put in Abrupt Decay somewhere in 75 as Miracles is an annoying deck to deal with.
I'm personally happy with running 4 Deathrites and 2 Chrome Moxes as my acceleration.
Just got back from a 24 man tournament. Went 4 wins and a draw in swiss. I was top seed in the top 8 and Won twice and split finals and gave my opponent the win since winner gets entry into the main event where I'm at....and it's not Legacy so I didn't care.
Faced 3 Sneak Show opponents in the swiss and an infect player (ID vs Miracles in last round of swiss). Yeah, a weird meta. At one point vs Sneak Show I had Gaddock Teeg, Containment Priest, Sword of Fire and Ice on Priest and a Karakas in play. :D I also got to Shriekmaw an Emrakul off of a Show and Tell. Haven't done that in a while. He later asks how many Shriekmaws I run, he doesn't feel quite as bad when he finds out I run 2.
Hi guys!
I came top4 in 37 man tourment. Here is the list:
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=19317&iddeck=146884
I won agisnt Mircals, Infect, Aggro Loam, Food Chain before top 8.
Draw to Shardless BUG and lost to Infect.
Won first to merfolk with 4 Truename and 4 Voids.
Lost to the same infect player in semifinals, he won the whole tourment.
Ran the following:
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Bitterblossom
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Lingering Souls
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Dark Ritual
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Scrubland
2 Swamp
1 Plains
4 Wasteland
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
1 Karakas
2 Bayou
1 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Nihil Spellbomb
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Zealous Persecution
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 2 Tidehollow Sculler
SB: 1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
SB: 1 Sword of Fire and Ice
SB: 1 CoP Red
Dark Ritual was bad for me. The "make dark ritual do something" minigame felt like a 2nd opponent.
Hit T1 DR + Liliana twice in 4 rounds (13 players). Once vs Lands and once vs Storm. Liliana was not great vs Lands but I could have done better with it. Against storm I decided to Enlightened Tutor into T2 Ethersworn instead, accidentally shutting off the DR.
Lost to Shardless - Butchered SDT game one. 0-2
Lost to Storm - Ethersworn canonist got abrupt decayed. 0-2
Beat Lands - Bitterblosson MVP 2-1
Lost to Food Chain - STP not so great vs Misthollow Griffin. 1-2
Was a good time. I'm going to fit 3 Scullers and the Bitterblossom into the main. Dark Ritual certainly would become better with practice and sample size but no thanks.
You realize you only have 2 pieces of Equipment with 4 SFM maindeck, right? In a non-Brainstorm shell, I'd shove the SoFI in the main, and consider cutting the Batterskull, but that's preference. I'd also consider Cabal Therapy in the deck, considering you make literally infinite tokens. Perhaps 3/3/3 Thoughtseize/Therapy/Hymn split? Your 2-slot is a tad heavy. I suggest:
4 SFM
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Dark Confidant
1 Drana
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Bitterblossom
3 Lingering Souls
3 Equipment
4 STP
1 Zealous Persecution
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize
3 Hymn to Tourach
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sylvan Library
21 Lands
2 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Pithing Needle
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Rest in Peace
1 Equipment (Feast and Famine?)
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
I like the the list you are suggesting with minor exceptions. Iīd like to know your stance on those:
- Abrupt decay feels pretty mandatory maindeck in the current meta. And even if you donīt encounter a deck, that makes abrupt decay a necessitiy, there arenīt many decks against which it is entirely useless either. So why only have them in the sb?
- Bittblossom feels slow. While Iīd name that card my one favorite magic card if I were asked, I just found it to produce pressure a turn too late to be viable. What match ups or situations do you have in mind to pack two of those maindeck?
- Isnīt 2 tops and a library overkill?
- Isnīt 9 discards overkill, especially since we probably can make good use of therapyīs flashback and especially since you cut one of the Confidants?
- How many green sources do you play, seeing that you use library and decay?
- and out of personal interest, since I havenīt had time to play a lot lately: How is Drana holding up?
Looks similar to my recent build.
I didn't like Drana. She's cute with all the tokens but it felt win-more.
Bitterblossom was amazing. Never felt too slow for me; part of it is acknowledging that the deck can play a grindy role and the enchantment makes that very easy. It's a strong turn 2 play that frequently doesn't have a maindeck answer other than Decay. Matchups: Miracles, Lands, Jund, Shardless, anything that we can take our time against (or that will take a while to kill us)
In light of BB and Bob, I'd caution against Thoughtseize. IOK fills a similar role without costing us two life. (I ran Painful Truths too, so that definitely adds more self-pain). Therapy is the nuts though; you get so much edge from that card with format knowledge and reading opponents. The token abuse is just gravy.
I ran Decay and Library as my green cards as well. I was able to manage with 1 Bayou and 1 Savannah and possibly a basic Forest for insurance, but that may have not been necessary. DRS helps us with those too.
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