Positively, and suspect my opinion is the majority.
Negatively, and suspect my opinion is the majority.
Positively, and suspect my opinion is the minority.
Negatively, and suspect my opinion is the minority.
Indifferent, and suspect my opinion is the majority.
Indifferent, and suspect my opinion is the minority.
Lol ;)Originally Posted by baghdadbob
If Wizards teases - blatantly - an abolishment of the Reserved List for a year or so, that would give collectors a chance to cash out. Granted, the value would come down anyway because of the rumors, but it would be something.
Bullshit.
There isn't a 100 people that might file a class action lawsuit. They don't exist. They have never existed.
The real issue is WotC can't profit off of removing the Reserved List. That's why they won't ever bother with it.
You don't think if Wizards abolished the list, announced some kind of limited print run, "Legacy Legends" or something, MSRP $7.95 a pack with mythic new art black bordered dual lands and Thoughtseize and JTMS and whatnot, that people wouldn't buy them?
As it stands there is money to be made either way, as it is now with SCG leading the way with large gains for eternal staples. Or Wizards could decide they like money too and support Legacy by printing cards that people are already willing to spend $100 for.
Making a profit of abolishing the reserved list is easy as stealing from children. I mean, Legacy Masters anyone? What about a having several GPs and a PTQ season fed by Legacy Masters? This would be kind of bringing Cube into the competitive scene - everybody loves Legacy, everybody loves Cube, everybody loves more people being able to play Legacy. And what's the special #1 price for winning the first Legacy Masters GP? WotC will make you announce the reprint of the original 10 Duals in the next set - which is going to be unveilled as Urza's Timemachine.
Oh yeah baby...
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
I just wet my pants!
Unless they printed them like a real set (quantity, that is), I don't think any of those would end up in the hands of players.
Yeah, they'd have to print it as much as RTR, and even then...
Foil duals omg... Print it in Russian and Korean too.
Nah, they make most of their money from Standard. They might get a boost at first, but once everyone got the cards they needed packs wouldn't sell anymore.
With Standard, they keep changing it and making new cards. With Legacy, most of the good cards are set in place. Also, WotC wouldn't start selling singles, less they piss of the stores that support them.
...So make it a Limited print run like a typical Standard set?
Also, I think this will only happen when Magic wanes in popularity again. Eventually, the new players will quit, sales will dip, and they will have to think of a way to bring the "old players" back. Abolishing the list may be a solution, depending on how bad the dip is.
A friend in chat put it really well. Just about everyone in this forum has a handful of dual lands. Even if it's only a playset of blue duals, that's 500+ USD invested, with many of us holding much more.
That being said, would you accept allA/B/U duals being banned if they printed a format-legal functional reprint to allow more players to play?
As a collector, my answer would be no.
As a player (which I am first and foremost), I say absolutely yes. The entire argument is whether we are willing to accept a reduced value of our collection in exchange for an increased playerbase.
The problem I have with banning the dual lands is the way it unbalances the format. Without the dual lands, everyone defaults to the shocklands, which by itself is fine. The problem is that this suddenly powers up Wasteland significantly. With the original duals, Wasteland had an important job in the format, and that was to give them a legitimate disadvantage to use them. But the shocklands (and all other dual lands) have their disadvantage built into them. So I feel that would power Wasteland up too much; you already are disadvantaged by it being tapped or taking 2 damage, no need to add Wasteland on top of that. But we can't ban Wasteland too, because then the other abusive nonbasics (Mishra's Factory, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Maze of Ith) can all run amuck much more easily.
I feel like if you were to ban the original dual lands, you'd have to ban a bunch of other stuff to keep things balanced.
I think thecrav was suggesting that Wizards ban the A/B/U/R duals from any currently legal format, abolish The Reserved List, then print functional reprints, so that we'd still have access to Swamp Island, but so would every Standard/Modern player that cracks packs that's interested in Legacy. His point was that the collectibility angle would take a hit as the A/B/U/R duals are now banned, but from a player's perspective, it would be good as it would assuredly promote growth in Legacy.
First of all, they are unable to print functional reprints, or apparently even one-offs. Fork/Reverberate for example; someone somewhere "got in trouble" over Reverberate, so there can never be a Snow Dual or similarly worded functional analog without a drawback - hence those beautiful shocklands.
Second, as one of a handful of individuals on this board who has never had reasonable means to acquire any ABRU dual lands (and has already been in the unfortunate position of liquidating the bulk of his collection a few years back), I do not care if the price of duals drops to $0.05 tomorrow. The people who complain about how there's too goddamned many threads on this board regarding the Reserve Policy and the price of format staples are absolutely right - the discussion has gone on for-balls-ever and it's all moot, because unless there's a major league change of heart over as Hasbro/Wizards/whatever, things will simply continue in the direction they're headed.
Whatever that means; I'm not saying the format is going to crumble under its own entry fee. But you know, I'm just starting to get a little sick of dual lands being this carrot on a string that can only get shorter and further away. I could piss and moan about my station in life and I could get a bunch of "shut the fuck up and get a real job" speeches, but the fact of the matter is I'm gainfully employed - I just have obligations that demand priority over cardboard. I just have more and more difficulty accepting the amount of money that I should be asked to throw at some goddamned Badlands. It's just stupid. I don't like being actively priced out of the game with each passing day.
Ah, my bad for misreading it. Sorry!
Chiming in to confirm that this is what I meant.
Hell no. This is the absolute worst of all worlds. You manage to subvert the Reserved List since functional reprints are already not permitted. You absolutely tank the value of cards not only for the players, but also for the collectors, who will still have the same inclination to sue, if not more so, since this is probably even more damaging to their collection value (since their original copies are useless in Legacy). And now we have to hunt down new copies of these functional reprints, all so you can arbitrarily ban a subset of cards and reprint a new set in order to circumvent an equally arbitrary reprint policy.
If it's ever necessary to inject a greater supply of duals (and many people would argue we're already at this point or that we are nearing it), then they should just do away with the Reserved List.
Wizards could probably get a majority of people to shut up if they only reprinted duals. I think we could support dual land reprints in Commander decks in a series of 10 two-color commander decks, allowing EDH players a chance at a dual land, but giving people to option to move their 1-of for value.
Even making each one a $50 precon with a dual of that color in would help immensely...provided ton sof dealers didn't just jack up the price on these to match the current dual price.
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