JTMC seems more for control decks like Miracles. As for LLTLH, I would not run any cards that cost more than 1 black in this iteration. I cut mine and went up to 2 Dread of Night, which gives me a very strong board against D&T.
I don't know what BEB stands for.
I don't like running more counterspells than FOW in a deck that cascades. Shardless into FSS instead of THZ seems really bad.
I ended up cutting my Jitte for a second Fatal Push. I love that Crane can get it, but I've lost a lot of games drawing it instead of something like Push or Diabolic Edict.
Your list is almost the same as what I have. I just don't run any Ponders
I just won MKM trial in Prague (4:0) with this list:
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Baleful Strix
3 Cavern Harpy
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Parasitic Strix
4 Shardless Agent
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Glint-Nest Crane
3 Aluren
4 Brainstorm
2 Fatal Push
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Force of Will
1 Bayou
2 Forest
2 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Ponder
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Pithing Needle
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Faerie Macabre
1 Dread of Night
1 Sylvan Library
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Golgari Charm
1 Hydroblast
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Toxic Deluge
I beat Death and Taxis, Storm, Affinity and BR Reanimator.
Originally I took deck of TrueKnightMare (twitch video up) and changed it little bit. The deck was shining but quite hard to navigate (especially with the lands - keeping hands, fetching and deciding what and when play). Sometimes I had weird combinations of mana. But I love the deck.
Not sure if its been discussed, but what about the recent 5-0 list by Otaba on mtgo? Anyone test out punishing fire in aluren?
4 Baleful Strix
1 Cavern Harpy
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
3 Imperial Recruiter
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Man-o'-War
1 Parasitic Strix
3 Shardless Agent
2 Ponder
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Punishing Fire
4 Aluren
1 Bayou
1 Forest
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Taiga
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volcanic Island
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Duress
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Golgari Charm
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Toxic Deluge
He 5-0'ed with another list as well - looks like back to back weeks with Aluren, but slightly different take.
Creatures (18)
3 Veteran Explorer
4 Baleful Strix
1 Cavern Harpy
1 Eternal Witness
1 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Man-o'-War
1 Parasitic Strix
3 Recruiter of the Guard
3 Shardless Agent
Spells (17)
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Ponder
3 Thoughtseize
3 Abrupt Decay
Enchantments (5)
1 Sylvan Library
4 Aluren
Lands (20)
1 Bayou
2 Forest
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Phyrexian Tower
3 Polluted Delta
1 Savannah
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
Sideboard (15)
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Carpet of Flowers
1 Duress
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Containment Priest
1 Golgari Charm
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
4 Force of Will
75 Cards Total
Ran into Cartesian on modo playing like 15 cards I had to read yesterday. Not sold on the Birds of Paradise playset but we'll see. Veteran Explorer seems a little better to me but also awkward.
For myself, I've dusted off the Tundras and am playing ANT and UW Standstill/Miracles instead.
Awesome! I've been seriously considering going down to 3 Aluren too. With all the creature removal in the format today it can be hard to get a 2 creature combo going. I played a tournament last night where I never cast Aluren and saw multiples of it as a dead draw...
Did you like just 3?
My other candidates for the slot are: abrupt decay, Jitte (seems really important to have lifegain with all the true names around), or thoughtseize
Also wondering how you liked Golgari Charm? Seems like it kills too many of our own creatures...
Otaba 5-0 a legacy constructed league with BUG Aluren! Looks like it's mostly the same, replacing DRS with flip Jace and IoK. Not sure how it would fare against a play like T1 Lackey though. Note that there are no veteran explorers and one of each basic.
4 Baleful Strix
3 Cavern Harpy
2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Parasitic Strix
4 Shardless Agent
2 Hymn to Tourach
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Ponder
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Aluren
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Back to Basics
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Golgari Charm
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Plague Mare
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Toxic Deluge
I've been looking to get back into playing Aluren again and I'm interested in Otaba's list with the Veteran Explorers. However, I was wondering if anyone can help me with this question I have about the Man'o War.
Why the Man'o War? I thought the deck used to run Arctic Merfolk so that the opponent can't respond to you returning your creature but with Man'o War, your opponents can now respond right? Is the advantage of being able to bounce opponent's creatures so valued that you're willing to accept the disadvantages?
Another 5-0, this time from Japanesefisherman. Similar to Otaba's list. Seems like 4 IoK is the DRS replacement, with a flex between flip Jace or Coiling Oracle. One of each basic too.
4 Baleful Strix
3 Cavern Harpy
1 Coiling Oracle
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Parasitic Strix
4 Shardless Agent
2 Hymn to Tourach
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Ponder
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Aluren
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Back to Basics
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Golgari Charm
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Krosan Grip
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Plague Mare
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Toxic Deluge
I'd like more opinions on this 5-0 from Japanesefisherman
4 Baleful Strix
3 Cavern Harpy
1 Coiling Oracle
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 Parasitic Strix
4 Shardless Agent
2 Hymn to Tourach
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Ponder
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Aluren
2 Bayou
1 Forest
1 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Back to Basics
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Golgari Charm
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Krosan Grip
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Plague Mare
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Tarmogoyf
1 Toxic Deluge
This deck has some sauce. I may come out of retirement to build this. Is this advisable?
I've actually never played the deck, but I am willing to guess.
Think of all the Cavern Harpy combos. Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix, Coiling Oracle, each cost 1 life to re-use. You don't really want to Cascade into Thoughtseize, taking two more points of damage. Your life points in a build like that really matter, and you're searching for that one Parasitic Strix. No recruiters to serve as further outs. I can imagine sometimes, you'll be unable to find it, and instead you'll just fire off Cascades into Discard/Removals and pass.
Pretty sure that's the case. Playing without recruiters hurts a lot your life points. I'm testing the recruiter/veteran explorer version, with 3 seizes and 4 therapies. What I could say that I'm surprise with this version. You can swipe the op's hand with seizes, tharapies, recap therapy. Get advantage with Library, Shardless and strixes. With so many Big Reds, having 2 forest helps a lot (veterans are amazing)...
Here is the list I am going to try next FNM:
Land (21)
2x Bayou
2x Forest
2x Island
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
1x Thespian's Stage
2x Tropical Island
1x Underground Sea
4x Verdant Catacombs
Enchantment (3)
3x Aluren
Creature (15)
4x Baleful Strix
3x Cavern Harpy
1x Coiling Oracle
2x Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1x Parasitic Strix
4x Shardless Agent
Instant (10)
2x Abrupt Decay
4x Brainstorm
4x Force of Will
Sorcery (11)
3x Cabal Therapy
4x Living Wish
4x Ponder
Sideboard (15)
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Cavern Harpy
1x Dark Depths
1x Dread of Night
1x Essence Warden
1x Faerie Macabre
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Mistcaller
1x Parasitic Strix
1x Plague Mare
1x Prowling Serpopard
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
1x Toxic Deluge
It's probably a dumb idea, but WTH. I actually have 2 legacy FNMs coming up soonish so if it doesn't end up working, I'll shave the DD/Stage for the 4th cabal therapy and another Living Wish target in the sideboard.
I really like the idea of cascading into Living Wish, so it's worth a couple of attempts for me (with and without the Coiling Oracle/Stage/Dark Depths thing). Sometimes things seem amazing on paper though and don't work out in practice, so we'll see!
How does everyone feel about all the new lists running 2 SFM + a set of Hierarchs?
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